Did the word "faggot" come from the word "fasces"? Is it related to fascist & fascism?

[New Journalism]

Did the word "faggot" come from the word "fasces"? The derogatory term
"faggot" has an obscure origin but might have originated from the word
"fagot" (a bundle of sticks) and before that from the word "fasces" or
"fascis" (a bundle of sticks symbolizing "authority" in ancient Rome),
which was the origin of the political term "fascist" and "fascism."
http://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism.html

An eminent etymologist explains that ancient Latin used a hard c-
letter sound, so that "Caesar" was actually pronounced "Kaiser." Thus
the word "fascis" was prounonced with a hard c-letter sound, not the
modern soft c-letter sound and, thus, the older pronunciation of
"fascis" more closely resembles the pronunciation of "fagot."

Fabulous research compares a translation from the Greek writing of one
of Aesop's Fables entitled: The Bundle of Sticks. In the fable an old
man on the point of death summoned his quarreling sons around him to
give them some parting advice. He ordered his servants to bring in a
faggot of sticks, and said to his eldest son: "Break it." The son
strained and strained, but with all his efforts was unable to break
the Bundle. The other sons also tried, but none of them was
successful. "Untie the faggots," said the father, "and each of you
take a stick." When they had done so, he called out to them: "Now,
break," and each stick was easily broken. "You see my meaning," said
their father. And the meaning was supposed to be: Union gives
strength.

Images of the fasces symbol in the United States are at Congress
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[Yusuf B Gursey]

Post by New Journalism
Did the word "faggot" come from the word "fasces"? The derogatory term
"faggot" has an obscure origin but might have originated from the word
"fagot" (a bundle of sticks) and before that from the word "fasces" or
"fascis" (a bundle of sticks symbolizing "authority" in ancient Rome),
which was the origin of the political term "fascist" and "fascism."http://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism.html
An eminent etymologist explains that ancient Latin used a hard c-
letter sound, so that "Caesar" was actually pronounced "Kaiser." Thus
the word "fascis" was prounonced with a hard c-letter sound, not the
modern soft c-letter sound and, thus, the older pronunciation of
"fascis" more closely resembles the pronunciation of "fagot."
Fabulous research compares a translation from the Greek writing of one
of Aesop's Fables entitled: The Bundle of Sticks.  In the fable an old
man on the point of death summoned his quarreling sons around him to
give them some parting advice. He ordered his servants to bring in a
faggot of sticks, and said to his eldest son: "Break it." The son
strained and strained, but with all his efforts was unable to break
the Bundle. The other sons also tried, but none of them was
successful. "Untie the faggots," said the father, "and each of you
take a stick." When they had done so, he called out to them: "Now,
break," and each stick was easily broken. "You see my meaning," said
their father. And the meaning was supposed to be: Union gives
strength.
Images of the fasces symbol in the United States are at Congresshttp://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism4a.jpg
Rome Academy Schoolhttp://rexcurry.net/fascist-flag.jpg
The quarter coinhttp://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism2a.jpg
The U.S. Courtshttp://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism3b.jpg

the Roman symbol was used by many political movements in modern times,
includeding the French revolution, before it became asscoaited with
Mussolini's Fascist party.

[New Journalism]

Post by Yusuf B Gursey

Post by New Journalism
Did the word "faggot" come from the word "fasces"? The derogatory term
"faggot" has an obscure origin but might have originated from the word
"fagot" (a bundle of sticks) and before that from the word "fasces" or
"fascis" (a bundle of sticks symbolizing "authority" in ancient Rome),
which was the origin of the political term "fascist" and "fascism."http://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism.html
An eminent etymologist explains that ancient Latin used a hard c-
letter sound, so that "Caesar" was actually pronounced "Kaiser." Thus
the word "fascis" was prounonced with a hard c-letter sound, not the
modern soft c-letter sound and, thus, the older pronunciation of
"fascis" more closely resembles the pronunciation of "fagot."
Fabulous research compares a translation from the Greek writing of one
of Aesop's Fables entitled: The Bundle of Sticks.  In the fable an old
man on the point of death summoned his quarreling sons around him to
give them some parting advice. He ordered his servants to bring in a
faggot of sticks, and said to his eldest son: "Break it." The son
strained and strained, but with all his efforts was unable to break
the Bundle. The other sons also tried, but none of them was
successful. "Untie the faggots," said the father, "and each of you
take a stick." When they had done so, he called out to them: "Now,
break," and each stick was easily broken. "You see my meaning," said
their father. And the meaning was supposed to be: Union gives
strength.
Images of the fasces symbol in the United States are at Congresshttp://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism4a.jpg
Rome Academy Schoolhttp://rexcurry.net/fascist-flag.jpg
The quarter coinhttp://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism2a.jpg
The U.S. Courtshttp://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism3b.jpg

the Roman symbol was used by many political movements in modern times,
includeding the French revolution, before it became asscoaited with
Mussolini's Fascist party.

Good point Yusuf. The symbol continues to be used. For example the United States government uses it as symbols in Congress, and on coins (e.g. quarters) and on the administrative office of the courts. That is in the books about the work of the historian Dr. Rex Curry.

[Brian M. Scott]

On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:50:36 -0800 (PST), New Journalism

Post by New Journalism
Did the word "faggot" come from the word "fasces"? The
derogatory term "faggot" has an obscure origin but might
have originated from the word "fagot" (a bundle of
sticks)

Which in fact is more usually spelled <faggot>. It does;
the word was much earlier used as a derogatory term for a
woman. It has no connection with <fasces>. It is from
French <fagot> 'faggot, bundle of sticks', first attested in
the 12th century. The French word is of uncertain
etymology; the only serious suggestion that I've seen is
that it's from Greek <phálekos> 'bundle, bunch', refashioned
as *<phakos> and borrowed into Latin as *<facus>, finally
appearing in Old French with a diminutive suffix. However,
this isn't likely unless it's of southern origin, and
Provençal <fagot> isn't attested until ~1400.

[...]

Brian

[Yusuf B Gursey]

Post by Brian M. Scott
On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:50:36 -0800 (PST), New Journalism

Post by New Journalism
Did the word "faggot" come from the word "fasces"? The
derogatory term "faggot" has an obscure origin but might
have originated from the word "fagot" (a bundle of
sticks)

Which in fact is more usually spelled <faggot>.  It does;
the word was much earlier used as a derogatory term for a
woman.  It has no connection with <fasces>.  It is from
French <fagot> 'faggot, bundle of sticks', first attested in
the 12th century.  The French word is of uncertain
etymology; the only serious suggestion that I've seen is
that it's from Greek <phálekos> 'bundle, bunch', refashioned
as *<phakos> and borrowed into Latin as *<facus>, finally
appearing in Old French with a diminutive suffix.  However,
this isn't likely unless it's of southern origin, and
Provençal <fagot> isn't attested until ~1400.\

Partridge mentions Italian fagotto

Post by Brian M. Scott
[...]
Brian

[b***@ihug.co.nz]

Post by Brian M. Scott
On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:50:36 -0800 (PST), New Journalism

Post by New Journalism
Did the word "faggot" come from the word "fasces"? The
derogatory term "faggot" has an obscure origin but might
have originated from the word "fagot" (a bundle of
sticks)

Which in fact is more usually spelled <faggot>.  It does;
the word was much earlier used as a derogatory term for a
woman.  It has no connection with <fasces>.  It is from
French <fagot> 'faggot, bundle of sticks', first attested in
the 12th century.  The French word is of uncertain
etymology; the only serious suggestion that I've seen is
that it's from Greek <phálekos> 'bundle, bunch', refashioned
as *<phakos> and borrowed into Latin as *<facus>, finally
appearing in Old French with a diminutive suffix.  However,
this isn't likely unless it's of southern origin, and
Provençal <fagot> isn't attested until ~1400.
[...]
Brian

Thanks for your efforts, but they are probably wasted, as we are
dealing once again with Rex Curry, swastikophilist.

[New Journalism]

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz

Post by Brian M. Scott
On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:50:36 -0800 (PST), New Journalism

Post by New Journalism
Did the word "faggot" come from the word "fasces"? The
derogatory term "faggot" has an obscure origin but might
have originated from the word "fagot" (a bundle of
sticks)

Which in fact is more usually spelled <faggot>.  It does;
the word was much earlier used as a derogatory term for a
woman.  It has no connection with <fasces>.  It is from
French <fagot> 'faggot, bundle of sticks', first attested in
the 12th century.  The French word is of uncertain
etymology; the only serious suggestion that I've seen is
that it's from Greek <phálekos> 'bundle, bunch', refashioned
as *<phakos> and borrowed into Latin as *<facus>, finally
appearing in Old French with a diminutive suffix.  However,
this isn't likely unless it's of southern origin, and
Provençal <fagot> isn't attested until ~1400.
[...]
Brian

Thanks for your efforts, but they are probably wasted, as we are
dealing once again with Rex Curry, swastikophilist.

All the efforts by everyone are greatly appreciated, but they are probably wasted, as we are dealing once again with the timid man who hides "***@ihug.co.nz" and he is a swastikophilist.

[Joachim Pense]

Post by Brian M. Scott
On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:50:36 -0800 (PST), New Journalism

Post by New Journalism
Did the word "faggot" come from the word "fasces"? The
derogatory term "faggot" has an obscure origin but might
have originated from the word "fagot" (a bundle of
sticks)

Which in fact is more usually spelled <faggot>. It does;
the word was much earlier used as a derogatory term for a
woman. It has no connection with <fasces>. It is from
French <fagot> 'faggot, bundle of sticks', first attested in
the 12th century. The French word is of uncertain
etymology; the only serious suggestion that I've seen is
that it's from Greek <phálekos> 'bundle, bunch', refashioned
as *<phakos> and borrowed into Latin as *<facus>, finally
appearing in Old French with a diminutive suffix. However,
this isn't likely unless it's of southern origin, and
Provençal <fagot> isn't attested until ~1400.

Any connection to BE faggot 'meatball'?

[Brian M. Scott]

On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 06:32:45 +0100, Joachim Pense

Post by Joachim Pense

Post by Brian M. Scott
On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:50:36 -0800 (PST), New Journalism

Post by New Journalism
Did the word "faggot" come from the word "fasces"? The
derogatory term "faggot" has an obscure origin but might
have originated from the word "fagot" (a bundle of
sticks)

Which in fact is more usually spelled <faggot>. It does;
the word was much earlier used as a derogatory term for a
woman. It has no connection with <fasces>. It is from
French <fagot> 'faggot, bundle of sticks', first attested in
the 12th century. The French word is of uncertain
etymology; the only serious suggestion that I've seen is
that it's from Greek <phálekos> 'bundle, bunch', refashioned
as *<phakos> and borrowed into Latin as *<facus>, finally
appearing in Old French with a diminutive suffix. However,
this isn't likely unless it's of southern origin, and
Provençal <fagot> isn't attested until ~1400.

Any connection to BE faggot 'meatball'?

Same word, according to the OED; probably from the sense 'a
bundle, a collection of things not forming any genuine
unity', given the description at
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faggot_%28food%29>.

Brian

[New Journalism]

Post by Brian M. Scott
On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:50:36 -0800 (PST), New Journalism

Post by New Journalism
Did the word "faggot" come from the word "fasces"? The
derogatory term "faggot" has an obscure origin but might
have originated from the word "fagot" (a bundle of
sticks)

Which in fact is more usually spelled <faggot>. It does;
the word was much earlier used as a derogatory term for a
woman. It has no connection with <fasces>. It is from
French <fagot> 'faggot, bundle of sticks', first attested in
the 12th century. The French word is of uncertain
etymology; the only serious suggestion that I've seen is
that it's from Greek <phálekos> 'bundle, bunch', refashioned
as *<phakos> and borrowed into Latin as *<facus>, finally
appearing in Old French with a diminutive suffix. However,
this isn't likely unless it's of southern origin, and
Provençal <fagot> isn't attested until ~1400.
[...]
Brian

Your comments are interesting but your comments seem to support the connection to "fasces" in that you write "It has no connection with <fasces>. It is from
French <fagot> 'faggot, bundle of sticks', first attested in the 12th century," which supports a relationship in that a 'faggot, bundle of sticks' IS what the fasces symbol is.
You would probably enjoy the many books that explain the work of the etymologist Dr. Rex Curry.

[Brian M. Scott]

On Sat, 30 Jan 2016 13:36:16 -0800 (PST), New Journalism

Post by New Journalism

Post by Brian M. Scott
On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:50:36 -0800 (PST), New Journalism

Post by New Journalism
Did the word "faggot" come from the word "fasces"? The
derogatory term "faggot" has an obscure origin but might
have originated from the word "fagot" (a bundle of
sticks)

Which in fact is more usually spelled <faggot>. It does;
the word was much earlier used as a derogatory term for a
woman. It has no connection with <fasces>. It is from
French <fagot> 'faggot, bundle of sticks', first attested in
the 12th century. The French word is of uncertain
etymology; the only serious suggestion that I've seen is
that it's from Greek <phálekos> 'bundle, bunch', refashioned
as *<phakos> and borrowed into Latin as *<facus>, finally
appearing in Old French with a diminutive suffix. However,
this isn't likely unless it's of southern origin, and
Provençal <fagot> isn't attested until ~1400.

Your comments are interesting but your comments seem to
support the connection to "fasces" in that you write "It
has no connection with <fasces>.

You could hardly offer a clearer demonstration of your
inability to read for sense.

Post by New Journalism
It is from French <fagot> 'faggot, bundle of sticks',
first attested in the 12th century," which supports a
relationship in that a 'faggot, bundle of sticks' IS
what the fasces symbol is.

So what? A couch is a sofa, but the words <couch> and
<sofa> are unrelated.

Post by New Journalism
You would probably enjoy the many books that explain the
work of the etymologist Dr. Rex Curry.

That loon? Hardly. And he certainly isn’t an etymologist.

[r***@gmail.com]

Your comment once again supports the connection to "fasces" in that you wrote "It has no connection with <fasces>. It is from French <fagot> 'faggot, bundle of sticks'" which supports a relationship in that a 'faggot, bundle of sticks' IS what the fasces symbol is."

You could hardly offer a clearer demonstration of your inability to read for sense.

You are a loon. And you certainly aren't an etymologist. You should read some of the many books that explain the work of the etymologist Dr. Rex Curry.

[r***@gmail.com]

You also support Dr. Curry's work with your comment "The term might descend from Greek <phálekos> ('bundle, bunch'), refashioned as *<phakos> and borrowed into Latin as *<facus>, finally appearing in Old French with a diminutive suffix."

The Greek storyteller Aesop is believed to have lived in ancient Greece between 620 and 560 BCE). Fabulous research compares a translation from the Greek writing of one of Aesop's Fables entitled: The Bundle of Sticks. In the fable an old man on the point of death summoned his quarreling sons around him to
give them some parting advice. He ordered his servants to bring in a
faggot of sticks, and said to his eldest son: "Break it." The son
strained and strained, but with all his efforts was unable to break
the Bundle. The other sons also tried, but none of them was
successful. "Untie the faggots," said the father, "and each of you
take a stick." When they had done so, he called out to them: "Now,
break," and each stick was easily broken. "You see my meaning," said
their father. And the meaning was supposed to be: Union gives
strength.

That would explain the connection to Latin and ancient Rome, where the Fasces was a symbol.

[Yusuf B Gursey]

Post by New Journalism
Did the word "faggot" come from the word "fasces"? The derogatory term
"faggot" has an obscure origin but might have originated from the word
"fagot" (a bundle of sticks) and before that from the word "fasces" or
"fascis" (a bundle of sticks symbolizing "authority" in ancient Rome),
which was the origin of the political term "fascist" and "fascism."http://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism.html
An eminent etymologist explains that ancient Latin used a hard c-
letter sound, so that "Caesar" was actually pronounced "Kaiser." Thus
the word "fascis" was prounonced with a hard c-letter sound, not the
modern soft c-letter sound and, thus, the older pronunciation of

that's very well known.

Partridge says that Latin fasces is related to MIr. basc "a neck-band,
a collar" and therefore perhaps to basket

Post by New Journalism
"fascis" more closely resembles the pronunciation of "fagot."
Fabulous research compares a translation from the Greek writing of one
of Aesop's Fables entitled: The Bundle of Sticks.  In the fable an old
man on the point of death summoned his quarreling sons around him to
give them some parting advice. He ordered his servants to bring in a
faggot of sticks, and said to his eldest son: "Break it." The son
strained and strained, but with all his efforts was unable to break
the Bundle. The other sons also tried, but none of them was
successful. "Untie the faggots," said the father, "and each of you
take a stick." When they had done so, he called out to them: "Now,
break," and each stick was easily broken. "You see my meaning," said
their father. And the meaning was supposed to be: Union gives
strength.
Images of the fasces symbol in the United States are at Congresshttp://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism4a.jpg
Rome Academy Schoolhttp://rexcurry.net/fascist-flag.jpg
The quarter coinhttp://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism2a.jpg
The U.S. Courtshttp://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism3b.jpg

[Ian Tinny]

Post by Yusuf B Gursey

Post by New Journalism
Did the word "faggot" come from the word "fasces"? The derogatory term
"faggot" has an obscure origin but might have originated from the word
"fagot" (a bundle of sticks) and before that from the word "fasces" or
"fascis" (a bundle of sticks symbolizing "authority" in ancient Rome),
which was the origin of the political term "fascist" and "fascism."http://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism.html
An eminent etymologist explains that ancient Latin used a hard c-
letter sound, so that "Caesar" was actually pronounced "Kaiser." Thus
the word "fascis" was prounonced with a hard c-letter sound, not the
modern soft c-letter sound and, thus, the older pronunciation of

that's very well known.
Partridge says that Latin fasces is related to MIr. basc "a neck-band,
a collar" and therefore perhaps to basket

Post by New Journalism
"fascis" more closely resembles the pronunciation of "fagot."
Fabulous research compares a translation from the Greek writing of one
of Aesop's Fables entitled: The Bundle of Sticks. In the fable an old
man on the point of death summoned his quarreling sons around him to
give them some parting advice. He ordered his servants to bring in a
faggot of sticks, and said to his eldest son: "Break it." The son
strained and strained, but with all his efforts was unable to break
the Bundle. The other sons also tried, but none of them was
successful. "Untie the faggots," said the father, "and each of you
take a stick." When they had done so, he called out to them: "Now,
break," and each stick was easily broken. "You see my meaning," said
their father. And the meaning was supposed to be: Union gives
strength.
Images of the fasces symbol in the United States are at Congresshttp://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism4a.jpg
Rome Academy Schoolhttp://rexcurry.net/fascist-flag.jpg
The quarter coinhttp://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism2a.jpg
The U.S. Courtshttp://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism3b.jpg

This is from the book "Third Reich" by the author Ian Tinny and the Dead Writers Club. The book also mentions the work of the etymologist Dr. Rex Curry and is available on Amazon:
"In ancient Rome, the fasces [fas-eez] was a bundle of sticks bound together. It symbolized "union," or people banded together. Thus, the word "fascist" is related to the word "fagot" (or faggot (British)) as a bundle of wood (see the work of the etymologist Dr. Curry) and via the similar early pronunciation of the words "fasces" and "faggot" (the original Latin term "fasces" was pronounced with a hard letter "C" sound or /k/, not the modern soft letter "C" sound or /s/).

In another bizarre parallel to "Christian Socialism," the phrase "fire and faggot" described punishment of a heretic by burning. Heretics who recanted were forced to display the symbol of a faggot on their shirt sleeve for public humiliation.
Homosexuality was illegal under the old crusades, under early "Christian socialism," and under the modern socialist crusades of the socialists Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Mussolini, Castro, Pol Pot, in North Korea, et cetera.
The derogatory term for a "male homosexual," 1914, is probably from the earlier use for an old heretical woman, and a reference to the "flaming faggots" (homosexuals were also burned at the stake)."

[New Journalism]

This is from the book "Third Reich" by the author Ian Tinny and the Dead Writers Club. The book also mentions the work of the etymologist Dr. Rex Curry and is available on Amazon:
"In ancient Rome, the fasces [fas-eez] was a bundle of sticks bound together. It symbolized "union," or people banded together. Thus, the word "fascist" is related to the word "fagot" (or faggot (British)) as a bundle of wood (see the work of the etymologist Dr. Curry) and via the similar early pronunciation of the words "fasces" and "faggot" (the original Latin term "fasces" was pronounced with a hard letter "C" sound or /k/, not the modern soft letter "C" sound or /s/).
In another bizarre parallel to "Christian Socialism," the phrase "fire and faggot" described punishment of a heretic by burning. Heretics who recanted were forced to display the symbol of a faggot on their shirt sleeve for public humiliation.
Homosexuality was illegal under the old crusades, under early "Christian socialism," and under the modern socialist crusades of the socialists Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Mussolini, Castro, Pol Pot, in North Korea, et cetera.
The derogatory term for a "male homosexual," 1914, is probably from the earlier use for an old heretical woman, and a reference to the "flaming faggots" (homosexuals were also burned at the stake)."