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Log (base 2) of 3 -- (without a Calculator)
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HenHanna
2024-11-16 19:37:08 UTC
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is there a good way to get this value by hand?

(without a Calculator) Log (base 2) of 3




This clip shows how to derive

1.5 < Log2(3) < 1.6666666......


i wonder if there's a way to get better (and better) approximations.
Daniel
2024-11-18 14:51:15 UTC
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Post by HenHanna
is there a good way to get this value by hand?
(without a Calculator) Log (base 2) of 3
http://youtu.be/X6C5hGpWW5A
This clip shows how to derive
1.5 < Log2(3) < 1.6666666......
i wonder if there's a way to get better (and better) approximations.
Is it possibly you can summarize he gist of it in here so we can
discuss?

Did you take calculus in college and if so, did you ever learn the limit
definition of the derivative?
HenHanna
2024-11-18 20:13:09 UTC
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Post by HenHanna
is there a good way to get this value by hand?
(without a Calculator) Log (base 2) of 3
http://youtu.be/X6C5hGpWW5A
This clip shows how to derive
1.5 < Log2(3) < 1.6666666......
i wonder if there's a way to get better (and better) approximations.
Is it possibly you can summarize he gist of it in here so we can
discuss?
Did you take calculus in college and if so, did you ever learn the limit
definition of the derivative?
i thnk... i knew the Epsilon-Delta def. when i was 13.

Log2(3) = x

so 2^x =3 ---------- Square both sides

2^(2x) = 9 ------ We know that 2^3 = 8

2^(2x) > 2^3 ---- (2^power is monotonic) (monotonically increasing)

2x > 3

x > 1.5


We get x < 1.6666...... by Cubing both sides


i wonder if there's a way to get better (and better) approximations.
Daniel
2024-11-18 22:03:24 UTC
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Post by Daniel
Post by HenHanna
is there a good way to get this value by hand?
(without a Calculator) Log (base 2) of 3
http://youtu.be/X6C5hGpWW5A
This clip shows how to derive
1.5 < Log2(3) < 1.6666666......
i wonder if there's a way to get better (and better) approximations.
Is it possibly you can summarize he gist of it in here so we can
discuss?
Did you take calculus in college and if so, did you ever learn the limit
definition of the derivative?
i thnk... i knew the Epsilon-Delta def. when i was 13.
Log2(3) = x
so 2^x =3 ---------- Square both sides
2^(2x) = 9 ------ We know that 2^3 = 8
2^(2x) > 2^3 ---- (2^power is monotonic) (monotonically increasing)
I've been out of college for twenty years and, even though I studied
math, there's more rust than anything. I see you chose the closest cube
from 9 to achieve a clean cube root. Which operation did you
do to get 2x > 3? Did you log both sides? Don't hit me if that's a
stupid question.
Post by HenHanna
2x > 3
x > 1.5
We get x < 1.6666...... by Cubing both sides
How do achieve a result of 1.666666 by cubing 1.5? I get 1.5^3 = 3.375.
Post by HenHanna
i wonder if there's a way to get better (and better) approximations.
Ever visit sci.math? I'm in there, perhaps we could crosspost this into
that NG and include them in the conversation. Oh, I will.
HenHanna
2024-11-19 23:14:31 UTC
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Post by Daniel
Post by HenHanna
is there a good way to get this value by hand?
(without a Calculator) Log (base 2) of 3
http://youtu.be/X6C5hGpWW5A
This clip shows how to derive
1.5 < Log2(3) < 1.6666666......
i wonder if there's a way to get better (and better) approximations.
Is it possibly you can summarize he gist of it in here so we can
discuss?
Did you take calculus in college and if so, did you ever learn the limit
definition of the derivative?
i thnk... i knew the Epsilon-Delta def. when i was 13.
Log2(3) = x
so 2^x =3 ---------- Square both sides
2^(2x) = 9 ------ We know that 2^3 = 8
2^(2x) > 2^3 ---- (2^power is monotonic) (monotonically increasing)
I've been out of college for twenty years and, even though I studied
math, there's more rust than anything. I see you chose the closest cube
from 9 to achieve a clean cube root. Which operation did you
do to get 2x > 3? Did you log both sides? Don't hit me if that's a
stupid question.
Post by HenHanna
2x > 3
x > 1.5
We get x < 1.6666...... by Cubing both sides
How do achieve a result of 1.666666 by cubing 1.5? I get 1.5^3 = 3.375.
Post by HenHanna
i wonder if there's a way to get better (and better) approximations.
Ever visit sci.math? I'm in there, perhaps we could crosspost this into
that NG and include them in the conversation. Oh, I will.
Thanks.
Post by Daniel
Post by HenHanna
so 2^x =3 ---------- Square both sides
so 2^x =3 ---------- Cubing both sides

2^(3x) = 27 ------ We know that 2^5 = 32

............. we get x < 1.6666......


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Richard Damon
2024-11-22 23:20:39 UTC
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Post by HenHanna
is there a good way to get this value by hand?
(without a Calculator) Log (base 2) of 3
http://youtu.be/X6C5hGpWW5A
This clip shows how to derive
1.5 < Log2(3) < 1.6666666......
i wonder if there's a way to get better (and better) approximations.
Is it possibly you can summarize he gist of it in here so we can
discuss?
Did you take calculus in college and if so, did you ever learn the limit
definition of the derivative?
i thnk... i knew the Epsilon-Delta def. when i was 13.
Log2(3) = x
so 2^x =3 ---------- Square both sides
2^(2x) = 9 ------ We know that 2^3 = 8
2^(2x) > 2^3 ---- (2^power is monotonic) (monotonically increasing)
I've been out of college for twenty years and, even though I studied
math, there's more rust than anything. I see you chose the closest cube
from 9 to achieve a clean cube root. Which operation did you
do to get 2x > 3? Did you log both sides? Don't hit me if that's a
stupid question.
Post by HenHanna
2x > 3
x > 1.5
We get x < 1.6666...... by Cubing both sides
How do achieve a result of 1.666666 by cubing 1.5? I get 1.5^3 = 3.375.
Post by HenHanna
i wonder if there's a way to get better (and better) approximations.
Ever visit sci.math? I'm in there, perhaps we could crosspost this into
that NG and include them in the conversation. Oh, I will.
So, you have 1.5 < log2(3) < 1.666

Take 2 to the power of each side since that is monotonic

2^1.5 < 3 < 2^1.666


For 2^1.5 < 3, square both sides and get 2^3 < 3^2 8 < 9

for 3 < 2^1.6666 cube both sides, 3^3 < 2^5 27 < 32

So, we can find the approximations by finding relationships between
powers of 3 and powers of 2

If 3^n < 2^m then log2(3) < m/n
and if 2^m < 3^n then m/n < log2(3)

Richard Tobin
2024-11-19 19:47:00 UTC
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Post by HenHanna
i wonder if there's a way to get better (and better) approximations.
Look for more powers of 2 near to powers of 3.

For example,

3^7 (= 2187) > 2^11 (= 2048), so 3 > 2^(11/7), so log2(3) > 11/7 = 1.571+
3^10 (= 59049) < 2^16 (= 65536), so 3 < 2^(16/10), so log2(3) < 10/6 = 1.6

3^12 is very close to 2^19, so log2(3) is very close to 19/12 = 1.583+

-- Richard
HenHanna
2024-11-19 23:08:22 UTC
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Post by HenHanna
i wonder if there's a way to get better (and better) approximations.
Look for more powers of 2 near to powers of 3.
For example,
3^7 (= 2187) > 2^11 (= 2048), so 3 > 2^(11/7), so log2(3) > 11/7 = 1.571+
3^10 (= 59049) < 2^16 (= 65536), so 3 < 2^(16/10), so log2(3) < 10/6 = 1.6
3^12 is very close to 2^19, so log2(3) is very close to 19/12 = 1.583+
-- Richard
Look for more powers of 2 near to powers of 3.
Thank you.... is there a good way to look for them?


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Why didn't i tihnk of that???

i saw a really nice Clip on Youtube.
(i think from the 3-Brown 1-Blue guy)

Plot all points (P cis P) for all prime P

and the result was Spirals. (amazing graphics effect Zooming out and
in)


The spirals resulted from a similar idea (or phenomenon) of
when multiples of P is close to multiples of 2 Pi.
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