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Why did Doyle die so young? (Sir A.Conan Doyle died at the age of 71)
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HenHanna
2024-07-09 06:05:52 UTC
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rich men (and famous, Successful men) usu. live to Old age.


Steve Jobs (1955–2011) — an American inventor, entrepreneur and
co-founder of Apple Inc. — died of complications from pancreatic cancer
at the age of 56 on Oct. 5, 2011. Jobs was born on Feb. 24, 1955,
in San Francisco, California.


S.Jobs was a freak. A health-nut. (A Nutty Vegetarian)

Why did Doyle die so young?
He was so rich, and was a Medical Man.
Sir Arthur Conan Doyle died on July 7, 1930 at the age of 71.
Aidan Kehoe
2024-07-09 11:23:35 UTC
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[...] Why did Doyle die so young?
He was so rich, and was a Medical Man.
Sir Arthur Conan Doyle died on July 7, 1930 at the age of 71.
Doyle was a smoker who died of a heart attack at 71. This is completely
unremarkable, and still happens today even if patients get on
cholesterol-lowering medication early and have everything managed according to
best medical practice.
--
‘As I sat looking up at the Guinness ad, I could never figure out /
How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stout’
(C. Moore)
HenHanna
2024-07-15 18:44:42 UTC
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Post by Aidan Kehoe
[...] Why did Doyle die so young?
He was so rich, and was a Medical Man.
Sir Arthur Conan Doyle died on July 7, 1930 at the age of 71.
Doyle was a smoker who died of a heart attack at 71. This is completely
unremarkable, and still happens today even if patients get on
cholesterol-lowering medication early and have everything managed according to
best medical practice.
Thanks.

i wonder if he noticed any early signs.
Tilde
2024-08-31 04:52:22 UTC
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Post by HenHanna
  > [...]      Why did Doyle   die   so young?
  >            He was so rich, and was a Medical Man.
  >
  > >>> Sir Arthur Conan Doyle died on July 7, 1930 at the age of 71.
Doyle was a smoker who died of a heart attack at 71. This is completely
unremarkable, and still happens today even if patients get on
cholesterol-lowering medication early and have everything managed according to
best medical practice.
Thanks.
    i wonder if he noticed any early signs.
In those days the connections/correlations of smoking
with disease weren't really known. For example

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22345227/
2013 Jan:22

The history of the discovery of the cigarette-lung
cancer link: evidentiary traditions, corporate
denial, global toll

"Lung cancer was once a very rare disease, so
rare that doctors took special notice when
confronted with a case, thinking it a
once-in-a-lifetime oddity. Mechanisation and
mass marketing towards the end of the 19th
century popularised the cigarette habit,
however, causing a global lung cancer epidemic.
Cigarettes were recognised as the cause of the
epidemic in the 1940s and 1950s..."


In a google image search with the terms:
poster doctors recommend smoking

You can find all kinds of early advertisements
for smoking featuring doctors. Several here

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/outrageous-vintage-cigarette-ads/3/

has a 1931 Camels cigarette ad with a doctor and
the caption says "Smoke a FRESH cigarette". There's
a couple from the 1890s billed as good for treating
asthma.

So as far as Doyle recognizing symptoms, well, in
those days smoking was not likely to have been
seen as the cause.
Peter Moylan
2024-08-31 11:46:56 UTC
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"Lung cancer was once a very rare disease, so rare that doctors took
special notice when confronted with a case, thinking it a
once-in-a-lifetime oddity. Mechanisation and mass marketing towards
the end of the 19th century popularised the cigarette habit,
however, causing a global lung cancer epidemic. Cigarettes were
recognised as the cause of the epidemic in the 1940s and 1950s..."
I read a lot of science fiction from the 1940s and 1950s, and there one
finds that in the far distant future, in the days of the Galactic
Empire, for example, almost everyone smokes.

That's how the writers of the 1940s saw it. Nonsmokers were rare, and
seen as a bit nonconformist. Nobody seems to have predicted the
situation we have today, where smokers find a need to smoke in secrecy,
and everyone avoids them because they stink. We've had a rapid change in
attitudes.
--
Peter Moylan ***@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW
Bertel Lund Hansen
2024-08-31 13:25:01 UTC
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Post by Peter Moylan
I read a lot of science fiction from the 1940s and 1950s, and there one
finds that in the far distant future, in the days of the Galactic
Empire, for example, almost everyone smokes.
Neither of my parents smoked - that is my mother used to smoke 25
cigarettes a day before she had children, but then she stopped
completely. When they friends visiting, they would pass around a dish
with cigarettes and small cigars. Everyone - as I remember - smoked then
even if they normally didn't.

A bit strange because my mother warned us against smoking and explained
about the risks. We three brothers smoked at some time as did my father.
My sisters haven't, apart from hash of course. I and my little brother
stopped a long time ago. The middle brother smoked right until he died
from an unhealthy living and pneumonia (aged 75).
--
Bertel
Kolt, Denmark
Aidan Kehoe
2024-08-31 17:33:58 UTC
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[...] I read a lot of science fiction from the 1940s and 1950s, and there
one finds that in the far distant future, in the days of the Galactic
Empire, for example, almost everyone smokes.
That's how the writers of the 1940s saw it. Nonsmokers were rare, and
seen as a bit nonconformist. Nobody seems to have predicted the
situation we have today, where smokers find a need to smoke in secrecy,
and everyone avoids them because they stink. We've had a rapid change in
attitudes.
Nicotine is a fascinating molecule. It is a mild stimulant that improves
cognition and problem-solving, and I think it’s plausible that its effect was
part of the pace of economic development and raising GDP per capita in the 20th
century. I note 50% of Chinese men smoked in 2022, vs. 15% of Irish men, and
China’s rate of GDP per capita growth is has been much healthier for decades.

I do not endorse smoking, it is bad for you. I am not intrinsically negative
about nicotine replacement therapy or vaping.
--
‘As I sat looking up at the Guinness ad, I could never figure out /
How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stout’
(C. Moore)
Bertel Lund Hansen
2024-09-01 06:21:50 UTC
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Post by Aidan Kehoe
Nicotine is a fascinating molecule. It is a mild stimulant that improves
cognition and problem-solving, and I think it’s plausible that its effect was
part of the pace of economic development and raising GDP per capita in the 20th
century.
Back then the tobacco was 'cleaner' than it is today.
Post by Aidan Kehoe
I do not endorse smoking, it is bad for you. I am not intrinsically negative
about nicotine replacement therapy or vaping.
I am negative about nicotine replacement therapy or vaping - about
nicotine as such but also about the uncontrolled additives the products
come with. If the nicotine was clean, it would be less harmful than
cigarettes.
--
Bertel
Kolt, Denmark
Peter Moylan
2024-09-01 08:15:55 UTC
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Post by Bertel Lund Hansen
Post by Aidan Kehoe
Nicotine is a fascinating molecule. It is a mild stimulant that
improves cognition and problem-solving, and I think it’s plausible
that its effect was part of the pace of economic development and
raising GDP per capita in the 20th century.
Back then the tobacco was 'cleaner' than it is today.
Post by Aidan Kehoe
I do not endorse smoking, it is bad for you. I am not intrinsically
negative about nicotine replacement therapy or vaping.
I am negative about nicotine replacement therapy or vaping - about
nicotine as such but also about the uncontrolled additives the
products come with. If the nicotine was clean, it would be less
harmful than cigarettes.
I managed to shake tobacco addiction, after years of trying, with the
aid of nicotine patches, so I approve of that sort of replacement.

Vaping is a different matter. It sounded initially as a good form of
replacement, but the people I know who have tried it ended up more badly
addicted. There's definitely a problem with uncontrolled additives. In
particular, I gather that "non-nicotine" vapes often contain a high
concentration of nicotine.

Vapes are the tobacco industry's new method of sucking children into
addiction.
--
Peter Moylan ***@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW
Kyonshi
2024-09-03 10:00:18 UTC
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Post by Peter Moylan
Vaping is a different matter. It sounded initially as a good form of
replacement, but the people I know who have tried it ended up more badly
addicted. There's definitely a problem with uncontrolled additives. In
particular, I gather that "non-nicotine" vapes often contain a high
concentration of nicotine.
Vapes are the tobacco industry's new method of sucking children into
addiction.
not sure if it's the additives. it was marketed as less harmful for
quite a while, so I think people just used it heavier because it didn't
matter.

I was kind of shocked when one of my colleagues during nightshift just
vaped indoors. She didn't even have to go out for a smoke, because the
smoke at least didn't trigger the smoke alarms, but she also plain
didn't stop using it for the whole night.
Bertel Lund Hansen
2024-09-03 16:31:36 UTC
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Post by Kyonshi
Post by Peter Moylan
Vapes are the tobacco industry's new method of sucking children into
addiction.
not sure if it's the additives. it was marketed as less harmful for
quite a while, so I think people just used it heavier because it didn't
matter.
I think that it was less harmful for a while. The additives only came
later.
Post by Kyonshi
I was kind of shocked when one of my colleagues during nightshift just
vaped indoors.
Yes, many vapers thought/think that nicotine is not unhealthy or at
least isn't harmful for others. They are wrong.
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Bertel
Kolt, Denmark
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