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(Thunderbird won't let me cross-post.)
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Lynn McGuire
2024-09-04 21:53:59 UTC
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  (Thunderbird won't let me cross-post.)
really?      (my TB  lets me Xpost  alot.)
TB recently had a  problem of dropped  posts (from earlier this year)
E-S is killing a lot of cross posts as spam.

Lynn
occam
2024-09-04 22:38:49 UTC
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  (Thunderbird won't let me cross-post.)
really?      (my TB  lets me Xpost  alot.)
TB recently had a  problem of dropped  posts (from earlier this year)
Good. Your posts should not be allowed on a single NG, let alone
cross-posted across several. </cluck>
D
2024-09-04 22:55:29 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
  (Thunderbird won't let me cross-post.)
E-S is killing a lot of cross posts as spam.
Lynn
+1

cross-posting should never have been enabled in the first place,
most especially since the c. 1993 "eternal september" holocaust

[*]
#...
# for scoring overview headers
# cross-posting is a darn nuisance
# demote cross-posts, darken color
-1111 Xpost %>1
!setcolor(silver;maroon) Xpost %>1
-1111 Xpost %>2
!setcolor(maroon;gray) Xpost %>2
-1111 Xpost %>3
!setcolor(gray;olive) Xpost %>3
-1111 Xpost %>4
!setcolor(olive;gray) Xpost %>4
-1111 Xpost %>5
!setcolor(navy;black) Xpost %>5
#...
HenHanna
2024-09-05 00:29:14 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
 >>>  (Thunderbird won't let me cross-post.)
really?      (my TB  lets me Xpost  alot.)
TB recently had a  problem of dropped  posts (from earlier this year)
E-S is killing a lot of cross posts as spam.
Lynn
but this Thread is unaffected, apparently.
Paul
2024-09-05 08:25:18 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
 >>>  (Thunderbird won't let me cross-post.)
really?      (my TB  lets me Xpost  alot.)
TB recently had a  problem of dropped  posts (from earlier this year)
E-S is killing a lot of cross posts as spam.
Lynn
but this Thread  is  unaffected,  apparently.
Servers usually have a global limit, as to how many
newsgroups maximum can be in the Newsgroup list.

But there are also crosspost rules, designed for
certain "abuse patterns".

Let's make an example:

alt.cowboys
alt.indians

Subject: Cowboys suck
Newsgroups: alt.cowboys, alt.indians

The purpose of trolling messages, is to make 500 message threads,
where the cowboys say naughty things about the indians, and
the indians respond in fashion. This technique is used in soc.* for example.
Find two groups that have been fighting with one another
since the year 1066, say something incendiary, walk away.

Crosspost rules then, are crafted to stop that. "No crosspost in soc.* ".
This reduces off-topic trolling. "No crosspost in comp.os.linux.advocacy "
(COLA trolling).

If messages are being discarded, and they have not exceeded the
global crosspost limit, chances are one of the groups in the list has
a "reputation as troll fodder", and crossposting is not allowed.

USENET administrators do not micromanage the server. But if, say,
20% of the server bandwidth was being used for a fixed troll pattern,
an administrator may choose to "fix" the issue.

And not all server rules need be published. Neither does the
status of the rules need to be updated on a minute-by-minute basis.
Say for example, the administrator removes the soc.* trolling rule.
Would you tell the soc.* trolls that ? No :-) Don't expect the
server status page, to make the life of the trolls easier, by
explaining everything to them.

When AIOE was still running, some of the status messages were
a bit terse. For example, people receiving "Banlist" used to freak
out when that word appeared after an attempt to post. They would
write into the support page and ask "Am I blocked?" as if the
administrator goes around individually slapping fingers. well,
that wasn't what the message meant. The banlist may have been
certain keywords. Sometimes the custom status messages, leave
something to be desired, because the poster takes the status
"personally" as an affront. when that's not what the rule is
doing. If someone doesn't want you on their server, they can
just disable your account, and that has a different set of symptoms
than the Post rules do.

Paul
Phil Carmody
2024-09-17 12:30:32 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
  (Thunderbird won't let me cross-post.)
really?      (my TB  lets me Xpost  alot.)
TB recently had a  problem of dropped  posts (from earlier this year)
E-S is killing a lot of cross posts as spam.
If they're killing HenHanna's posts, then they're on the right lines.
S/h/it (unsure of gender or if bot) is a rampant irrelevant crossposter.

Phil
--
We are no longer hunters and nomads. No longer awed and frightened, as we have
gained some understanding of the world in which we live. As such, we can cast
aside childish remnants from the dawn of our civilization.
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D
2024-09-17 15:33:45 UTC
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Post by Phil Carmody
Post by Lynn McGuire
  (Thunderbird won't let me cross-post.)
really?      (my TB  lets me Xpost  alot.)
TB recently had a  problem of dropped  posts (from earlier this year)
E-S is killing a lot of cross posts as spam.
If they're killing HenHanna's posts, then they're on the right lines.
S/h/it (unsure of gender or if bot) is a rampant irrelevant crossposter.
server administrators probably benefit by discussing possible flaws
and potential improvements to their servers, so it makes sense that
they would be more amenable to what could be productive discussions
with any newsgroup participant, if the result means a better server
than before; this "big tent" pattern of sysadmins engaging everyone,
including obvious troll farm "regulars", is evident across hundreds
of newsgroups, a rather stoic and objective approach to interacting
with the public; "rfc" (e.g. http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5537)
seems like a bible where encouraging cross-posting and discouraging
what they call "multi-posting" in their collective view approaching
religious doctrine, papal bull (and yes, maybe some of these people
are actually religious, the holy roman empire is cosmopolitan after
all), is inviolable creed; as such, cross-posting must be protected
in spite of its massive abuse by troll farm operatives and geniuses
Post by Phil Carmody
Phil
--
We are no longer hunters and nomads. No longer awed and frightened, as we have
gained some understanding of the world in which we live. As such, we can cast
aside childish remnants from the dawn of our civilization.
-- NotSanguine on SoylentNews, after Eugen Weber in /The Western Tradition/
(nice sig . . . even though i don't agree with it)

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