Post by Arnaud Fournet Post by Arnaud Fournet Post by Ruud Harmsen
Tue, 28 Aug 2018 00:17:20 -0700 (PDT): Arnaud Fournet
Post by Arnaud Fournet Post by Ruud Harmsen
"When I don't feel like cooking, I simply walk to the market place for
(buying) a piece of frief ("baken") fish."
My Dutch dictionary translates *moot* as "tranche" = slice, not piece.
Apparently, you disagree with this.
I only know the word "moot" in the expression "een moot vis". Fish
doesn't usually lend itself very well to cutting slices. (I interpret
"slice" as something rather thin.)
yes, I agree with this,
that's why "morceau" or "darne" seems more adequate in French than "tranche"
apparently, *een moot vis* does not have any particular shape.
Post by Ruud Harmsen
"afgesneden stuk van een vis" (cut off piece of a fish), "synonym
snee, schijf, plak, reep."
Especially those words "snee, schijf" to me suggest something thinner
than how I imagine a "moot vis". But I do agree with "afgesneden stuk
van een vis".
Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com
What about Dutch *mop* = 'joke' (French blague)
is there a received etymology?
I thought I'd look at what OED has from English, but it turned out to be
more than I could handle:
† mop, v.1 to bewilder (1425-)
mop, v.2 intr. To make a grimace, to make faces. Chiefly in to mop
and mow (1567-)
Origin uncertain; perhaps imitative of movements of the lips,
and probably related to similar formations in other Germanic
Compare Dutch †moppen to mutter, mumble, sulk, pull a face (1678),
early modern German mupfen to mumble, mutter, grumble (16th cent.),
German regional (Swiss) müpfen to pull a face, mock, nudge; also
early modern German Mupf (15th cent.), Muff derisive facial expression
with downturned mouth (German regional Muff sour-faced person, grumbler,
German regional (Swiss) Mupf person who puts on airs), all perhaps
ultimately of imitative origin. Compare also (perhaps ultimately
representing a variant of the same base) German regional (Low German)
mopen to gape, stare, Norwegian måpe to gape, Old Swedish mopa to make
a fool of (Swedish regional mopa, (Skåne) måva to look discontented, sulk), early modern Danish maabe, mabe to sulk (Danish måbe to gawp, gape).
† mop, n.1 1. A fool, a simpleton (1330-)
mope, n. 1. A fool, a simpleton; a slow-witted or inept person.(1390-)
Probably related to mope n., mope v., and mopish adj.1; further
German regional Mops when applied to a person appears to be related to
Dutch moppen (see mop v.2) and is probably not related to the present
word: see discussion s.v. mops n.2
mop, n.3 A grotesque grimace or grin, as made by a monkey. Chiefly in
mops and mows.(1475-)
I give up...