Best/Worst American Accents By Brits

[Horace LaBadie]

From the Radio Times website, a poll of visitors (presumably mostly
British) about Brits on American TV with the worst American accents.

<http://www.radiotimes.com/content/features/us-accents-results/>


1. Michelle Ryan (Bionic Woman)
2. Eddie Izzard (The Riches)
3. Anna Friel (Pushing Daisies)
4. Hugh Laurie (House)
5. Ian McShane (Deadwood)
6. Sean Maguire (The Class)
7. Minnie Driver (The Riches)
8. Joely Richardson (Nip/Tuck)
9. Louise Lombard (CSI: Crime Scene Investigation)
10. Dominic West (The Wire)
11. Jamie Bamber (Battlestar Galactica)
12. Lena Headey (Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles)
13. Sophia Myles (Moonlight)
14. Damian Lewis (Band of Brothers)
15. Lennie James (Jericho)
16. Marianne Jean-Baptiste (Without a Trace)
17. Matthew Rhys (Brothers and Sisters)
18. Other
19. Kevin McKidd (Journeyman)
20. Idris Elba (The Wire)


The list of Best accents, which is hard to reconcile with the Worst.

1. Hugh Laurie (House)
2. Anna Friel (Pushing Daisies)
3. Michelle Ryan (Bionic Woman)
4. Damian Lewis (Band of Brothers)
5. Minnie Driver (The Riches)
6. Eddie Izzard (The Riches)
7. Joely Richardson (Nip/Tuck)
8. Ian McShane (Deadwood)
9. Louise Lombard (CSI: Crime Scene Investigation)
10. Marianne Jean-Baptiste (Without a Trace)
11. Lena Headey (Terminator : The Sarah Connor Chronicles)
12. Jamie Bamber (Battlestar Galactica)
13. Matthew Rhys (Brothers and Sisters)
14. Dominic West (The Wire)
15. Lennie James (Jericho)
16. Sean Maguire (The Class)
17. Idris Elba (The Wire)
18. Sophia Myles (Moonlight)
19. Other
20. Kevin McKidd (Journeyman)

[b***@ihug.co.nz]

On May 28, 11:19 am, Horace LaBadie

Post by Horace LaBadie
From the Radio Times website, a poll of visitors (presumably mostly
British) about Brits on American TV with the worst American accents.
<http://www.radiotimes.com/content/features/us-accents-results/>
1. Michelle Ryan (Bionic Woman)
2. Eddie Izzard (The Riches)
3. Anna Friel (Pushing Daisies)
4. Hugh Laurie (House)
5. Ian McShane (Deadwood)
6. Sean Maguire (The Class)
7. Minnie Driver (The Riches)
8. Joely Richardson (Nip/Tuck)
9. Louise Lombard (CSI: Crime Scene Investigation)
10. Dominic West (The Wire)
11. Jamie Bamber (Battlestar Galactica)
12. Lena Headey (Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles)
13. Sophia Myles (Moonlight)
14. Damian Lewis (Band of Brothers)
15. Lennie James (Jericho)
16. Marianne Jean-Baptiste (Without a Trace)
17. Matthew Rhys (Brothers and Sisters)
18. Other
19. Kevin McKidd (Journeyman)
20. Idris Elba (The Wire)
The list of Best accents, which is hard to reconcile with the Worst.
1. Hugh Laurie (House)
2. Anna Friel (Pushing Daisies)
3. Michelle Ryan (Bionic Woman)
4. Damian Lewis (Band of Brothers)
5. Minnie Driver (The Riches)
6. Eddie Izzard (The Riches)
7. Joely Richardson (Nip/Tuck)
8. Ian McShane (Deadwood)
9. Louise Lombard (CSI: Crime Scene Investigation)
10. Marianne Jean-Baptiste (Without a Trace)
11. Lena Headey (Terminator : The Sarah Connor Chronicles)
12. Jamie Bamber (Battlestar Galactica)
13. Matthew Rhys (Brothers and Sisters)
14. Dominic West (The Wire)
15. Lennie James (Jericho)
16. Sean Maguire (The Class)
17. Idris Elba (The Wire)
18. Sophia Myles (Moonlight)
19. Other
20. Kevin McKidd (Journeyman)

These appear to be the same list of 19 people plus "Other". Obviously
they were given a fixed list by the magazine
They don't explain what they mean by "good"/"bad"-- authentic? (how
would they know?) or just pleasing to the ear? Results are consistent
with the hypothesis that they don't know what they're talking about.

Ross Clark

[Ilpo]

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
They don't explain what they mean by "good"/"bad"-- authentic? (how
would they know?) or just pleasing to the ear?

Indeed. I was surprised to see Ian McShane (Deadwood) on the list.
It's been forever since I've watched Deadwood, but my recollection is
that McShane's role character was a Briton. So the Brits who thought
his accent was good liked it because he sounded so British, and those
who disliked it did it because his accent didn't sound American, or
what?

[r***@yahoo.com]

Post by Horace LaBadie
From the Radio Times website, a poll of visitors (presumably mostly
British) about Brits on American TV with the worst American accents.

How about Americans with the best accents?
I have a couple of candidates:
Frank Langella
William Buckley Jr. (deceased)

[Peter T. Daniels]

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Post by Horace LaBadie
From the Radio Times website, a poll of visitors (presumably mostly
British) about Brits on American TV with the worst American accents.

How about Americans with the best accents?
Frank Langella
William Buckley Jr. (deceased)

Buckley wasn't an actor, he was a blowhard. Evidently Yalies were
immensely impressed by his Connecticut Valley accent (the same as
Katharine Hepburn's). He was also a lousy writer.

I don't recall Langella doing accents (such as Meryl Streep is famous
for).

[r***@yahoo.com]

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Post by Horace LaBadie
From the Radio Times website, a poll of visitors (presumably mostly
British) about Brits on American TV with the worst American accents.

How about Americans with the best accents?
Frank Langella
William Buckley Jr. (deceased)

Buckley wasn't an actor, he was a blowhard.

Sure, but he blew hard in one of the best American accents I've come
across.

Post by Peter T. Daniels
Evidently Yalies were
immensely impressed by his Connecticut Valley accent

Well, I'm not a Yalie even though Elihu Yale made his mark in Madras
before he made it in Connecticut.

Post by Peter T. Daniels
I don't recall Langella doing accents

He does his own accent.

Post by Peter T. Daniels
(such as Meryl Streep is famous for).

Like in "Out of Africa".

[C***@gmail.com]

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Post by Horace LaBadie
From the Radio Times website, a poll of visitors (presumably mostly
British) about Brits on American TV with the worst American accents.

How about Americans with the best accents?
Frank Langella
William Buckley Jr. (deceased)

Buckley wasn't an actor, he was a blowhard. Evidently Yalies were
immensely impressed by his Connecticut Valley accent (the same as
Katharine Hepburn's). He was also a lousy writer.

May I ask you a couple of questions:

- What is a blowhard? Has it something to do with oral sex?

- What is so particular about a Connecticut Valley accent?

- Who is this William Buckley anyway, in addition to being the
Anglicization of the Irish name Uilliam Ó Buachalla? Was he from the
West Cork Gaeltacht? They have people with the name Buckley/Ó
Buachalla there. The Tailor of "The Tailor and Ansty" fame had the
surname Buckley, or Ó Buachalla.

[Peter T. Daniels]

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Post by r***@yahoo.com

Post by Horace LaBadie
From the Radio Times website, a poll of visitors (presumably mostly
British) about Brits on American TV with the worst American accents.

How about Americans with the best accents?
Frank Langella
William Buckley Jr. (deceased)

Buckley wasn't an actor, he was a blowhard. Evidently Yalies were
immensely impressed by his Connecticut Valley accent (the same as
Katharine Hepburn's). He was also a lousy writer.

- What is a blowhard? Has it something to do with oral sex?

No.

Post by C***@gmail.com
- What is so particular about a Connecticut Valley accent?

How many people have you heard that talk like Katharine Hepburn or
William F. Buckley, Jr.? (It's also similar to the super-elite NYC
accent of such as the late Nelson Rockefeller and John Lindsay to an
extent, and George Plimpton; Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg had it (she
was raised in the most elite NYC circles) when she first reemerged
into public life maybe ten years ago, but she carefully conceals it in
her public appearances these days).

Post by C***@gmail.com
- Who is this William Buckley anyway,

He died a few weeks ago. The founder of modern American conservatism.
His first book (1955), *God and Man at Yale*, was some sort of expose
of the spiritual or moral failings of the academic elite and made him
the darling of the right; he then founded the National Review, which
became the preeminent organ of that ilk. He had an unaccountably
popular TV show for decades, usually on public television, called
Firing Line, where he chain-smoked and interviewed prominent people,
usually debating them into the ground with his convoluted syntax and
impenetrable arguments. The clips played during his obituaries were
mostly from his confrontations with Gore Vidal, who is his
intellectual and stylistic superior in every way, representing the now-
traditional "left."

Interestingly, it has just been revealed that when The National Review
was looking for a new editor not long ago, Buckley insisted that a
Christian be chosen (even though, as it happens, his point of view has
been dominated by the almost exclusively Jewish "neoconservative"
cabal that controls the bush agenda); and I suspect he wouldn't have
been too pleased if it hadn't been a Roman Catholic. (Maybe an
Episcopal would have been acceptable, but perhaps not.)

For quite a few years he was The New Yorker's house conservative.
Mostly he wrote about his yacht (incredibly boring, I never got past
the first page), but every so often he published the most
condescending crap about the colored servants on his Connecticut
estate and how magnanimous he was in actually himself driving one of
their children to a hospital on the occasion of some emergency.

He also continually plugged the harpsichordist/pianist Rosalyn Tureck,
claiming that her interpretation of Bach's keyboard works was the only
listenable one. the 3rd Brandenburg provided the theme for his TV
show.

His younger brother James was briefly a Senator from New York.

Post by C***@gmail.com
in addition to being the
Anglicization of the Irish name Uilliam Ó Buachalla? Was he from the
West Cork Gaeltacht? They have people with the name Buckley/Ó
Buachalla there. The Tailor of "The Tailor and Ansty" fame had the
surname Buckley, or Ó Buachalla.-

Is that of any interest to anyone at all?

[FoggyTown]

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Post by Peter T. Daniels

Post by r***@yahoo.com

Post by Horace LaBadie
From the Radio Times website, a poll of visitors (presumably mostly
British) about Brits on American TV with the worst American accents.

How about Americans with the best accents?
Frank Langella
William Buckley Jr. (deceased)

Buckley wasn't an actor, he was a blowhard. Evidently Yalies were
immensely impressed by his Connecticut Valley accent (the same as
Katharine Hepburn's). He was also a lousy writer.

- What is a blowhard? Has it something to do with oral sex?

No.

Post by C***@gmail.com
- What is so particular about a Connecticut Valley accent?

How many people have you heard that talk like Katharine Hepburn or
William F. Buckley, Jr.? (It's also similar to the super-elite NYC
accent of such as the late Nelson Rockefeller and John Lindsay to an
extent, and George Plimpton; Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg had it (she
was raised in the most elite NYC circles) when she first reemerged
into public life maybe ten years ago, but she carefully conceals it in
her public appearances these days).

Post by C***@gmail.com
- Who is this William Buckley anyway,

He died a few weeks ago. The founder of modern American conservatism.
His first book (1955), *God and Man at Yale*, was some sort of expose
of the spiritual or moral failings of the academic elite and made him
the darling of the right; he then founded the National Review, which
became the preeminent organ of that ilk. He had an unaccountably
popular TV show for decades, usually on public television, called
Firing Line, where he chain-smoked and interviewed prominent people,
usually debating them into the ground with his convoluted syntax and
impenetrable arguments. The clips played during his obituaries were
mostly from his confrontations with Gore Vidal, who is his
intellectual and stylistic superior in every way, representing the now-
traditional "left."
Interestingly, it has just been revealed that when The National Review
was looking for a new editor not long ago, Buckley insisted that a
Christian be chosen (even though, as it happens, his point of view has
been dominated by the almost exclusively Jewish "neoconservative"
cabal that controls the bush agenda); and I suspect he wouldn't have
been too pleased if it hadn't been a Roman Catholic. (Maybe an
Episcopal would have been acceptable, but perhaps not.)
For quite a few years he was The New Yorker's house conservative.
Mostly he wrote about his yacht (incredibly boring, I never got past
the first page), but every so often he published the most
condescending crap about the colored servants on his Connecticut
estate and how magnanimous he was in actually himself driving one of
their children to a hospital on the occasion of some emergency.
He also continually plugged the harpsichordist/pianist Rosalyn Tureck,
claiming that her interpretation of Bach's keyboard works was the only
listenable one. the 3rd Brandenburg provided the theme for his TV
show.
His younger brother James was briefly a Senator from New York.

Post by C***@gmail.com
in addition to being the
Anglicization of the Irish name Uilliam � Buachalla? Was he from the
West Cork Gaeltacht? They have people with the name Buckley/�
Buachalla there. The Tailor of "The Tailor and Ansty" fame had the
surname Buckley, or � Buachalla.-

Is that of any interest to anyone at all?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

If anyone is interested in hearing Buckley's accent, there are several
examples of him on Youtube - especially the one where he all but
punches out Gore Vidal. But thuis one is representative

FoggyTown

[Peter T. Daniels]

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Post by Horace LaBadie
From the Radio Times website, a poll of visitors (presumably mostly
British) about Brits on American TV with the worst American accents.

How about Americans with the best accents?
Frank Langella
William Buckley Jr. (deceased)

Buckley wasn't an actor, he was a blowhard. Evidently Yalies were
immensely impressed by his Connecticut Valley accent (the same as
Katharine Hepburn's). He was also a lousy writer.

- What is a blowhard? Has it something to do with oral sex?

No.

Post by C***@gmail.com
- What is so particular about a Connecticut Valley accent?

How many people have you heard that talk like Katharine Hepburn or
William F. Buckley, Jr.? (It's also similar to the super-elite NYC
accent of such as the late Nelson Rockefeller and John Lindsay to an
extent, and George Plimpton; Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg had it (she
was raised in the most elite NYC circles) when she first reemerged
into public life maybe ten years ago, but she carefully conceals it in
her public appearances these days).

Post by C***@gmail.com
- Who is this William Buckley anyway,

He died a few weeks ago. The founder of modern American conservatism.
His first book (1955), *God and Man at Yale*, was some sort of expose
of the spiritual or moral failings of the academic elite and made him
the darling of the right; he then founded the National Review, which
became the preeminent organ of that ilk. He had an unaccountably
popular TV show for decades, usually on public television, called
Firing Line, where he chain-smoked and interviewed prominent people,
usually debating them into the ground with his convoluted syntax and
impenetrable arguments. The clips played during his obituaries were
mostly from his confrontations with Gore Vidal, who is his
intellectual and stylistic superior in every way, representing the now-
traditional "left."
Interestingly, it has just been revealed that when The National Review
was looking for a new editor not long ago, Buckley insisted that a
Christian be chosen (even though, as it happens, his point of view has
been dominated by the almost exclusively Jewish "neoconservative"
cabal that controls the bush agenda); and I suspect he wouldn't have
been too pleased if it hadn't been a Roman Catholic. (Maybe an
Episcopal would have been acceptable, but perhaps not.)
For quite a few years he was The New Yorker's house conservative.
Mostly he wrote about his yacht (incredibly boring, I never got past
the first page), but every so often he published the most
condescending crap about the colored servants on his Connecticut
estate and how magnanimous he was in actually himself driving one of
their children to a hospital on the occasion of some emergency.
He also continually plugged the harpsichordist/pianist Rosalyn Tureck,
claiming that her interpretation of Bach's keyboard works was the only
listenable one. the 3rd Brandenburg provided the theme for his TV
show.
His younger brother James was briefly a Senator from New York.

If anyone is interested in hearing Buckley's accent, there are several
examples of him on Youtube - especially the one where he all but
punches out Gore Vidal.  But thuis one is representative
http://youtu.be/2BbmbIoynZQ

You'd think YouTube wouldn't allow clips long enough to include an
entire sentence of his ...

Note the slouching. He _always_ sat that way -- maybe he had the worst
hemorrhoids in America.

Note also the gratuitous insult of Jesse Jackson, to his face. Jackson
probably didn't respond in kind.

By all means check out one of the fights with Vidal, for someone who
could give at least as well as he got.

[Ramblin Bob]

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Post by FoggyTown
If anyone is interested in hearing Buckley's accent, there are several
examples of him on Youtube - especially the one where he all but
punches out Gore Vidal.  But thuis one is representative
http://youtu.be/2BbmbIoynZQ

You'd think YouTube wouldn't allow clips long enough to include an
entire sentence of his ...
Note the slouching. He _always_ sat that way -- maybe he had the worst
hemorrhoids in America.

He had serious, very painful back problems, not his fault.
You insensitive clod.

[Peter T. Daniels]

Post by Ramblin Bob

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Post by FoggyTown
If anyone is interested in hearing Buckley's accent, there are several
examples of him on Youtube - especially the one where he all but
punches out Gore Vidal.  But thuis one is representative
http://youtu.be/2BbmbIoynZQ

You'd think YouTube wouldn't allow clips long enough to include an
entire sentence of his ...
Note the slouching. He _always_ sat that way -- maybe he had the worst
hemorrhoids in America.

He had serious, very painful back problems, not his fault.
You insensitive clod.

With his kind of money, there were infinite opportunites for surgery.

Why should I feel "sensitive" about a jerk who advocated tattooing
persons with HIV?

[Reinhold (Rey) Aman]

[...]

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Post by Ramblin Bob

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Note the slouching. He _always_ sat that way -- maybe he
had the worst hemorrhoids in America.

Q: Why is Petey Daniels a perfect asshole?
A: Because he has no hemorrhoids.

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Post by Ramblin Bob
He had serious, very painful back problems, not his fault.
You insensitive clod.

With his kind of money, there were infinite opportunites for surgery.

Better stick with ASSyriology, you hateful and ignorant bastard! There
are various back problems that *can't* be eliminated through any kind of
surgery or other medical operation. For example, JFK had much more $$$
than Mr. Buckley but suffered from horrible *incurable* back pains for
many years.

(As is well known, because of his terrible back pains, President Kennedy
avoided coitus and thus had two special "secretaries" who gave him
blowjobs every day.)

Post by Peter T. Daniels
Why should I feel "sensitive" about a jerk who advocated tattooing
persons with HIV?

Are you worried about getting tattooed, Petey?

Tattooing men with HIV/AIDS -- preferrably with a large pink triangle on
their foreheads to warn potential victims -- would save *many millions*
of innocent women and their babies, as well as naïve or stupid homos,
from contracting this painful deadly disease inflicted on them by
ruthless HIV-positive *murderers*.

~~~ Reinhold (Rey) Aman ~~~
Petey's favorite "Bavarian Nazi" & "homophobe"

[C***@gmail.com]

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[...]

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Post by Peter T. Daniels
Note the slouching. He _always_ sat that way -- maybe he
had the worst hemorrhoids in America.

Q: Why is Petey Daniels a perfect asshole?
A: Because he has no hemorrhoids.

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Post by Ramblin Bob
He had serious, very painful back problems, not his fault.
You insensitive clod.

With his kind of money, there were infinite opportunites for surgery.

Better stick with ASSyriology, you hateful and ignorant bastard! There
are various back problems that *can't* be eliminated through any kind of
surgery or other medical operation. For example, JFK had much more $$$
than Mr. Buckley but suffered from horrible *incurable* back pains for
many years.
(As is well known, because of his terrible back pains, President Kennedy
avoided coitus and thus had two special "secretaries" who gave him
blowjobs every day.)

Post by Peter T. Daniels
Why should I feel "sensitive" about a jerk who advocated tattooing
persons with HIV?

Are you worried about getting tattooed, Petey?
Tattooing men with HIV/AIDS -- preferrably with a large pink triangle on
their foreheads to warn potential victims -- would save *many millions*
of innocent women and their babies, as well as naïve or stupid homos,
from contracting this painful deadly disease inflicted on them by
ruthless HIV-positive *murderers*.
~~~ Reinhold (Rey) Aman ~~~
Petey's favorite "Bavarian Nazi" & "homophobe"

Peter might still be a pain, but you are still the ass. Grow up, Haman.

[Ramblin Bob]

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Post by FoggyTown
If anyone is interested in hearing Buckley's accent, there are several
examples of him on Youtube - especially the one where he all but
punches out Gore Vidal.  But thuis one is representative
http://youtu.be/2BbmbIoynZQ

You'd think YouTube wouldn't allow clips long enough to include an
entire sentence of his ...
Note the slouching. He _always_ sat that way -- maybe he had the worst
hemorrhoids in America.

He had serious, very painful back problems, not his fault.
You insensitive clod.

With his kind of money, there were infinite opportunites for surgery.
Why should I feel "sensitive" about a jerk who advocated tattooing
persons with HIV?

Huh? That would be invisible.

[Peter T. Daniels]

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Post by Ramblin Bob

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Post by FoggyTown
If anyone is interested in hearing Buckley's accent, there are several
examples of him on Youtube - especially the one where he all but
punches out Gore Vidal.  But thuis one is representative
http://youtu.be/2BbmbIoynZQ

You'd think YouTube wouldn't allow clips long enough to include an
entire sentence of his ...
Note the slouching. He _always_ sat that way -- maybe he had the worst
hemorrhoids in America.

He had serious, very painful back problems, not his fault.
You insensitive clod.

With his kind of money, there were infinite opportunites for surgery.
Why should I feel "sensitive" about a jerk who advocated tattooing
persons with HIV?

Huh? That would be invisible.-

His _actual_ suggestion was that the tattoo be placed on the buttocks
of the infected person, in the rather strange belief that anyone who
planned to have sex with him or her would naturally view the warning.

What do you think would be "invisible"? Tattoos by definition are
visible. What if he had advocated a tattoo on the forehead, like the
Mark of Cain?

[unknown]

On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 05:48:23 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"

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Post by FoggyTown
If anyone is interested in hearing Buckley's accent, there are several
examples of him on Youtube - especially the one where he all but
punches out Gore Vidal.  But thuis one is representative
http://youtu.be/2BbmbIoynZQ

You'd think YouTube wouldn't allow clips long enough to include an
entire sentence of his ...
Note the slouching. He _always_ sat that way -- maybe he had the worst
hemorrhoids in America.

He had serious, very painful back problems, not his fault.
You insensitive clod.

With his kind of money, there were infinite opportunites for surgery.
Why should I feel "sensitive" about a jerk who advocated tattooing
persons with HIV?

Huh? That would be invisible.-

His _actual_ suggestion was that the tattoo be placed on the buttocks
of the infected person, in the rather strange belief that anyone who
planned to have sex with him or her would naturally view the warning.
What do you think would be "invisible"? Tattoos by definition are
visible. What if he had advocated a tattoo on the forehead, like the
Mark of Cain?

Also, his suggestion re: buttocks neglected another important part
of the body often used in homosexual encounters. One wonders how
liberal might have been his education in these matters.

I am given to understand that tattooing that part would be -- would
not be -- would...uh, well, would not be without anguish -- though I
understand it IS done. Also wearing a ring through it.

Wearing rings through important parts of the body has always
bemused me. Tongues? Genitalia? Don't these decorations
interfere with operations? Or do they enhance them?

Aspasia

[Glenn Knickerbocker]

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Post by Peter T. Daniels
Why should I feel "sensitive" about a jerk who advocated tattooing
persons with HIV?

Huh? That would be invisible.-

What do you think would be "invisible"? Tattoos by definition are
visible.

Tattooing is normally done with ink, not with HIV.

¬R

[Ramblin Bob]

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Post by FoggyTown
If anyone is interested in hearing Buckley's accent, there are several
examples of him on Youtube - especially the one where he all but
punches out Gore Vidal.  But thuis one is representative
http://youtu.be/2BbmbIoynZQ

You'd think YouTube wouldn't allow clips long enough to include an
entire sentence of his ...
Note the slouching. He _always_ sat that way -- maybe he had the worst
hemorrhoids in America.

He had serious, very painful back problems, not his fault.
You insensitive clod.

With his kind of money, there were infinite opportunites for surgery.

So it's OK to make fun of birth defects among the
wealthy?

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Post by Peter T. Daniels
Why should I feel "sensitive" about a jerk who advocated tattooing
persons with HIV?

Why should you make fun of EVERY possible aspect of a "bad
person" in many ways that aren't related to what you're
mocking?

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Huh? That would be invisible.-

His _actual_ suggestion was that the tattoo be placed on the buttocks
of the infected person, in the rather strange belief that anyone who
planned to have sex with him or her would naturally view the warning.

A stupid idea. BUT given the premise, more likely effective
than elsewhere.

[unknown]

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Post by FoggyTown
If anyone is interested in hearing Buckley's accent, there are several
examples of him on Youtube - especially the one where he all but
punches out Gore Vidal.  But thuis one is representative
http://youtu.be/2BbmbIoynZQ

You'd think YouTube wouldn't allow clips long enough to include an
entire sentence of his ...
Note the slouching. He _always_ sat that way -- maybe he had the worst
hemorrhoids in America.

He had serious, very painful back problems, not his fault.
You insensitive clod.

With his kind of money, there were infinite opportunites for surgery.

So it's OK to make fun of birth defects among the
wealthy?

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Post by Peter T. Daniels
Why should I feel "sensitive" about a jerk who advocated tattooing
persons with HIV?

Why should you make fun of EVERY possible aspect of a "bad
person" in many ways that aren't related to what you're
mocking?

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Huh? That would be invisible.-

His _actual_ suggestion was that the tattoo be placed on the buttocks
of the infected person, in the rather strange belief that anyone who
planned to have sex with him or her would naturally view the warning.

A stupid idea. BUT given the premise, more likely effective
than elsewhere.
I argued to the contrary earlier. Let's compromise with "at least

as effective" as elsewhere. Mustn't dictate where people do their...

Aspasia

[Paul J Kriha]

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If anyone is interested in hearing Buckley's accent, there are several
examples of him on Youtube - especially the one where he all but
punches out Gore Vidal. But thuis one is representative
http://youtu.be/2BbmbIoynZQ

You'd think YouTube wouldn't allow clips long enough to include an
entire sentence of his ...
Note the slouching. He _always_ sat that way -- maybe he had the worst
hemorrhoids in America.

He had serious, very painful back problems, not his fault.
You insensitive clod.

With his kind of money, there were infinite opportunites for surgery.
Why should I feel "sensitive" about a jerk who advocated tattooing
persons with HIV?

Huh? That would be invisible.-

His _actual_ suggestion was that the tattoo be placed on the buttocks
of the infected person, in the rather strange belief that anyone who
planned to have sex with him or her would naturally view the warning.
What do you think would be "invisible"? Tattoos by definition are
visible. What if he had advocated a tattoo on the forehead, like the
Mark of Cain?

The original statement was ambiguous. Tattooing somebody
with HIV, regardless of your definition of tattoos, would indeed
most likely be invisible. :-)

pjk

[Peter T. Daniels]

Post by Horace LaBadie
From the Radio Times website, a poll of visitors (presumably mostly
British) about Brits on American TV with the worst American accents.
<http://www.radiotimes.com/content/features/us-accents-results/>
1. Michelle Ryan (Bionic Woman)
2. Eddie Izzard (The Riches)
3. Anna Friel (Pushing Daisies)
4. Hugh Laurie (House)
5. Ian McShane (Deadwood)
6. Sean Maguire (The Class)
7. Minnie Driver (The Riches)
8. Joely Richardson (Nip/Tuck)
9. Louise Lombard (CSI: Crime Scene Investigation)
10. Dominic West (The Wire)
11. Jamie Bamber (Battlestar Galactica)
12. Lena Headey (Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles)
13. Sophia Myles (Moonlight)
14. Damian Lewis (Band of Brothers)
15. Lennie James (Jericho)
16. Marianne Jean-Baptiste (Without a Trace)
17. Matthew Rhys (Brothers and Sisters)
18. Other
19. Kevin McKidd (Journeyman)
20. Idris Elba (The Wire)
The list of Best accents, which is hard to reconcile with the Worst.
1. Hugh Laurie (House)
2. Anna Friel (Pushing Daisies)
3. Michelle Ryan (Bionic Woman)
4. Damian Lewis (Band of Brothers)
5. Minnie Driver (The Riches)
6. Eddie Izzard (The Riches)
7. Joely Richardson (Nip/Tuck)
8. Ian McShane (Deadwood)
9. Louise Lombard (CSI: Crime Scene Investigation)
10. Marianne Jean-Baptiste (Without a Trace)
11. Lena Headey (Terminator : The Sarah Connor Chronicles)
12. Jamie Bamber (Battlestar Galactica)
13. Matthew Rhys (Brothers and Sisters)
14. Dominic West (The Wire)
15. Lennie James (Jericho)
16. Sean Maguire (The Class)
17. Idris Elba (The Wire)
18. Sophia Myles (Moonlight)
19. Other
20. Kevin McKidd (Journeyman)

I've never seen most of those shows, and I've never heard of most of
the ones I haven't seen, but the one Worst I would list is Rachel
Griffiths (Brothers and Sisters) -- especially in the first season,
her Brit came out whenever she got excited.

As for the ones I have seen (Worsts 3, 4, 8, 13, and 17 = Bests 2, 1,
7, 18, 13), I would have no idea that any of them was not American,
except for Joely Richardson because I have the DVDs and she does
interviews in the extras. (Pushing Daisies never came back, even in
reruns, after the strike, so it's been something like 6 months since
I've seen it.)

[b***@ihug.co.nz]

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Post by Horace LaBadie
From the Radio Times website, a poll of visitors (presumably mostly
British) about Brits on American TV with the worst American accents.
<http://www.radiotimes.com/content/features/us-accents-results/>
1. Michelle Ryan (Bionic Woman)
2. Eddie Izzard (The Riches)
3. Anna Friel (Pushing Daisies)
4. Hugh Laurie (House)
5. Ian McShane (Deadwood)
6. Sean Maguire (The Class)
7. Minnie Driver (The Riches)
8. Joely Richardson (Nip/Tuck)
9. Louise Lombard (CSI: Crime Scene Investigation)
10. Dominic West (The Wire)
11. Jamie Bamber (Battlestar Galactica)
12. Lena Headey (Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles)
13. Sophia Myles (Moonlight)
14. Damian Lewis (Band of Brothers)
15. Lennie James (Jericho)
16. Marianne Jean-Baptiste (Without a Trace)
17. Matthew Rhys (Brothers and Sisters)
18. Other
19. Kevin McKidd (Journeyman)
20. Idris Elba (The Wire)
The list of Best accents, which is hard to reconcile with the Worst.
1. Hugh Laurie (House)
2. Anna Friel (Pushing Daisies)
3. Michelle Ryan (Bionic Woman)
4. Damian Lewis (Band of Brothers)
5. Minnie Driver (The Riches)
6. Eddie Izzard (The Riches)
7. Joely Richardson (Nip/Tuck)
8. Ian McShane (Deadwood)
9. Louise Lombard (CSI: Crime Scene Investigation)
10. Marianne Jean-Baptiste (Without a Trace)
11. Lena Headey (Terminator : The Sarah Connor Chronicles)
12. Jamie Bamber (Battlestar Galactica)
13. Matthew Rhys (Brothers and Sisters)
14. Dominic West (The Wire)
15. Lennie James (Jericho)
16. Sean Maguire (The Class)
17. Idris Elba (The Wire)
18. Sophia Myles (Moonlight)
19. Other
20. Kevin McKidd (Journeyman)

I've never seen most of those shows, and I've never heard of most of
the ones I haven't seen, but the one Worst I would list is Rachel
Griffiths (Brothers and Sisters) -- especially in the first season,
her Brit came out whenever she got excited.

South Brit, maybe. She's Australian.
I don't remember noticing this problem in "Six Feet Under".

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As for the ones I have seen (Worsts 3, 4, 8, 13, and 17 = Bests 2, 1,
7, 18, 13), I would have no idea that any of them was not American,
except for Joely Richardson because I have the DVDs and she does
interviews in the extras. (Pushing Daisies never came back, even in
reruns, after the strike, so it's been something like 6 months since
I've seen it.)

I can't say I watch any of these shows regularly. But I have been
impressed when I've occasionally hear Hugh Laurie's American. Maybe
it's the contrast with the way I remember him as Bertie Wooster...

Ross Clark

[Peter T. Daniels]

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I've never seen most of those shows, and I've never heard of most of
the ones I haven't seen, but the one Worst I would list is Rachel
Griffiths (Brothers and Sisters) -- especially in the first season,
her Brit came out whenever she got excited.

South Brit, maybe. She's Australian.

Really! I figured she was the granddaughter (vel sim.) of Hugh
Griffiths, who was the bad guy in *Tom Jones* many years ago.

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I don't remember noticing this problem  in "Six Feet Under".

Maybe someday I'll see an episode of it ...

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As for the ones I have seen (Worsts 3, 4, 8, 13, and 17 = Bests 2, 1,
7, 18, 13), I would have no idea that any of them was not American,
except for Joely Richardson because I have the DVDs and she does
interviews in the extras. (Pushing Daisies never came back, even in
reruns, after the strike, so it's been something like 6 months since
I've seen it.)

I can't say I watch any of these shows regularly. But I have been
impressed when I've occasionally hear Hugh Laurie's American. Maybe
it's the contrast with the way I remember him as Bertie Wooster...

Couldn't stand that, tried it a couple of times.

[Richard Herring]

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I've never seen most of those shows, and I've never heard of most of
the ones I haven't seen, but the one Worst I would list is Rachel
Griffiths (Brothers and Sisters) -- especially in the first season,
her Brit came out whenever she got excited.

South Brit, maybe. She's Australian.

Really! I figured she was the granddaughter (vel sim.) of Hugh
Griffiths, who was the bad guy in *Tom Jones* many years ago.

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
I don't remember noticing this problem  in "Six Feet Under".

Maybe someday I'll see an episode of it ...

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As for the ones I have seen (Worsts 3, 4, 8, 13, and 17 = Bests 2, 1,
7, 18, 13), I would have no idea that any of them was not American,
except for Joely Richardson because I have the DVDs and she does
interviews in the extras. (Pushing Daisies never came back, even in
reruns, after the strike, so it's been something like 6 months since
I've seen it.)

I can't say I watch any of these shows regularly. But I have been
impressed when I've occasionally hear Hugh Laurie's American. Maybe
it's the contrast with the way I remember him as Bertie Wooster...

Couldn't stand that, tried it a couple of times.

Wooster or House?

[Peter T. Daniels]

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I've never seen most of those shows, and I've never heard of most of
the ones I haven't seen, but the one Worst I would list is Rachel
Griffiths (Brothers and Sisters) -- especially in the first season,
her Brit came out whenever she got excited.

South Brit, maybe. She's Australian.

Really! I figured she was the granddaughter (vel sim.) of Hugh
Griffiths, who was the bad guy in *Tom Jones* many years ago.

Post by b***@ihug.co.nz
I don't remember noticing this problem  in "Six Feet Under".

Maybe someday I'll see an episode of it ...

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As for the ones I have seen (Worsts 3, 4, 8, 13, and 17 = Bests 2, 1,
7, 18, 13), I would have no idea that any of them was not American,
except for Joely Richardson because I have the DVDs and she does
interviews in the extras. (Pushing Daisies never came back, even in
reruns, after the strike, so it's been something like 6 months since
I've seen it.)

I can't say I watch any of these shows regularly. But I have been
impressed when I've occasionally hear Hugh Laurie's American. Maybe
it's the contrast with the way I remember him as Bertie Wooster...

Couldn't stand that, tried it a couple of times.

Wooster or House?

Jeeves.

House is ok but it's so formulaic, it should have outstayed its
welcome by now. (The mystery disease is _always_ parasites. You'd
think they'd have learned to screen for that first, by now.)

[mb]

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Couldn't stand that, tried it a couple of times.

Wooster or House?

Jeeves.
House is ok

PGW hater... figures! I could have predicted that one.

[Peter T. Daniels]

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Couldn't stand that, tried it a couple of times.

Wooster or House?

Jeeves.
House is ok

PGW hater... figures! I could have predicted that one.

Maybe some day I'll get around to trying to read one of the "novels."
Are you in the habit of judging authors by their TV adaptations?

Though the utter absurdity of his wartime situation (when he had _no
idea_ he was broadcasting wartime Nazi propaganda) and after (exiled
from Britain, he continued to churn out Edwardian fantasies from Long
Island, NY, for decades; his contributions to the Broadway musical
have turned out to be pretty negligible) suggest that there are
probably better writers of his ilk to explore.

Have you heard of Jerome K. Jerome?

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Couldn't stand that, tried it a couple of times.

Wooster or House?

Jeeves.
House is ok

PGW hater... figures! I could have predicted that one.

Maybe some day I'll get around to trying to read one of the "novels."
Are you in the habit of judging authors by their TV adaptations?

They weren't half bad, these ones. I only watched them last month on
you tube, and they check with most of what my mind's eye sees while
reading it.

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Though the utter absurdity of his wartime situation (when he had _no
idea_ he was broadcasting wartime Nazi propaganda) and after (exiled
from Britain, he continued to churn out Edwardian fantasies from Long
Island, NY, for decades; his contributions to the Broadway musical
have turned out to be pretty negligible) suggest that there are
probably better writers of his ilk to explore.

Facts are as stated, but conclusions re the contents of his production
and the availability of better writers for what the aficionado gets
from PGW are wrong (except for the occasional dud like "French
Leave"). One pre-requisite to appreciate it remains a taste for
irrelevant absurdity, disconnected from the present or even from the
time it was written. Waugh half-tried, others tried, no dice.

Post by Peter T. Daniels
Have you heard of Jerome K. Jerome?

Not comparable at all (too serious, for one thing; in fact quasi-
funereal).

[Richard Herring]

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Couldn't stand that, tried it a couple of times.

Wooster or House?

Jeeves.
House is ok

PGW hater... figures! I could have predicted that one.

Maybe some day I'll get around to trying to read one of the "novels."
Are you in the habit of judging authors by their TV adaptations?
Though the utter absurdity of his wartime situation (when he had _no
idea_ he was broadcasting wartime Nazi propaganda)

Up to a point, Lord Copper. The "propaganda" aspect lies only in the
fact of his making them, not their content.

Post by Peter T. Daniels
and after (exiled
from Britain, he continued to churn out Edwardian

Others would say "timeless".

Post by Peter T. Daniels
fantasies from Long
Island, NY, for decades; his contributions to the Broadway musical
have turned out to be pretty negligible) suggest that there are
probably better writers of his ilk to explore.
Have you heard of Jerome K. Jerome?

[Emungo]

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Though the utter absurdity of his wartime situation (when he had _no
idea_ he was broadcasting wartime Nazi propaganda)

Up to a point, Lord Copper. The "propaganda" aspect lies only in the
fact of his making them, not their content.

'Up to a point, Lord Copper', was what Lord C's assistant said when he
disagreed with Lord C., not when he thought Lord C was right up to a
point. Is that what you meant here?

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Post by Peter T. Daniels
and after (exiled
from Britain, he continued to churn out Edwardian

Others would say "timeless".

Well, even if not timeless, certainly not Edwardian. Later 1920s is
the nearest thing to a dramatic date but there are countless things
that sit ill with that.

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Post by Peter T. Daniels
fantasies from Long
Island, NY, for decades; his contributions to the Broadway musical
have turned out to be pretty negligible) suggest that there are
probably better writers of his ilk to explore.
Have you heard of Jerome K. Jerome?

One can actually like both JKJ and PGW. I find it surprising that no-
one has mentioned the superb, precise and highly personal Wodehousian
use of language. (Even when placed in the mouth of Bertie Wooster, as
Michael Dummett pointed out in his book on style and grammar - not,
for those who don't know it, a prescriptivist pamphlet but a sensitive
plea for careful use of language so as to relay thought to the best of
its abilities.) Wodehouse is, for me, one of several writers worth
reading for this reason alone, notwithstanding the fact that the
subject matter and the author's own point of view are utterly alien to
me.

Having said that, the articulate and intricate creation of an utterly
alien world is itself a marvel, which is more or less the point Waugh
was making when he called Wodehouse 'the head of our profession' (vel
sim.) and said that stuff about future generations whose captivity was
more irksome still (than that of Waugh's) still being able to be
released through his work. Well my captivity feels pretty irksome at
times and PGW's stuff still does the trick.

[Richard Herring]

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Though the utter absurdity of his wartime situation (when he had _no
idea_ he was broadcasting wartime Nazi propaganda)

Up to a point, Lord Copper. The "propaganda" aspect lies only in the
fact of his making them, not their content.

'Up to a point, Lord Copper', was what Lord C's assistant said when he
disagreed with Lord C., not when he thought Lord C was right up to a
point. Is that what you meant here?

It is indeed.

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Post by Peter T. Daniels
and after (exiled
from Britain, he continued to churn out Edwardian

Others would say "timeless".

Well, even if not timeless, certainly not Edwardian. Later 1920s is
the nearest thing to a dramatic date but there are countless things
that sit ill with that.

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Post by Peter T. Daniels
fantasies from Long
Island, NY, for decades; his contributions to the Broadway musical
have turned out to be pretty negligible) suggest that there are
probably better writers of his ilk to explore.
Have you heard of Jerome K. Jerome?

One can actually like both JKJ and PGW. I find it surprising that no-
one has mentioned the superb, precise and highly personal Wodehousian
use of language. (Even when placed in the mouth of Bertie Wooster,

"Even"? Would one expect anything less from
Bertie-as-omnisicient-Narrator (not to be confused with
Bertie-as-fallible-actor, of course.)

Post by Emungo
as
Michael Dummett pointed out in his book on style and grammar - not,
for those who don't know it, a prescriptivist pamphlet but a sensitive
plea for careful use of language so as to relay thought to the best of
its abilities.) Wodehouse is, for me, one of several writers worth
reading for this reason alone, notwithstanding the fact that the
subject matter and the author's own point of view are utterly alien to
me.
Having said that, the articulate and intricate creation of an utterly
alien world is itself a marvel, which is more or less the point Waugh
was making when he called Wodehouse 'the head of our profession' (vel
sim.) and said that stuff about future generations whose captivity was
more irksome still (than that of Waugh's) still being able to be
released through his work. Well my captivity feels pretty irksome at
times and PGW's stuff still does the trick.

[b***@ihug.co.nz]

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I've never seen most of those shows, and I've never heard of most of
the ones I haven't seen, but the one Worst I would list is Rachel
Griffiths (Brothers and Sisters) -- especially in the first season,
her Brit came out whenever she got excited.

South Brit, maybe. She's Australian.

Really! I figured she was the granddaughter (vel sim.) of Hugh
Griffiths, who was the bad guy in *Tom Jones* many years ago.

No relation. He was singular, she's plural.

Ross Clark

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I don't remember noticing this problem in "Six Feet Under".

Maybe someday I'll see an episode of it ...

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Post by Peter T. Daniels
As for the ones I have seen (Worsts 3, 4, 8, 13, and 17 = Bests 2, 1,
7, 18, 13), I would have no idea that any of them was not American,
except for Joely Richardson because I have the DVDs and she does
interviews in the extras. (Pushing Daisies never came back, even in
reruns, after the strike, so it's been something like 6 months since
I've seen it.)

I can't say I watch any of these shows regularly. But I have been
impressed when I've occasionally hear Hugh Laurie's American. Maybe
it's the contrast with the way I remember him as Bertie Wooster...

Couldn't stand that, tried it a couple of times.

[Peter T. Daniels]

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I've never seen most of those shows, and I've never heard of most of
the ones I haven't seen, but the one Worst I would list is Rachel
Griffiths (Brothers and Sisters) -- especially in the first season,
her Brit came out whenever she got excited.

South Brit, maybe. She's Australian.

Really! I figured she was the granddaughter (vel sim.) of Hugh
Griffiths, who was the bad guy in *Tom Jones* many years ago.

No relation. He was singular, she's plural.

He was singluar indeed! He seems to have been in almost everything in
those days.

[Peter T. Daniels]

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Post by Horace LaBadie
From the Radio Times website, a poll of visitors (presumably mostly
British) about Brits on American TV with the worst American accents.
<http://www.radiotimes.com/content/features/us-accents-results/>
1. Michelle Ryan (Bionic Woman)
2. Eddie Izzard (The Riches)
3. Anna Friel (Pushing Daisies)
4. Hugh Laurie (House)
5. Ian McShane (Deadwood)
6. Sean Maguire (The Class)
7. Minnie Driver (The Riches)
8. Joely Richardson (Nip/Tuck)
9. Louise Lombard (CSI: Crime Scene Investigation)
10. Dominic West (The Wire)
11. Jamie Bamber (Battlestar Galactica)
12. Lena Headey (Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles)
13. Sophia Myles (Moonlight)
14. Damian Lewis (Band of Brothers)
15. Lennie James (Jericho)
16. Marianne Jean-Baptiste (Without a Trace)
17. Matthew Rhys (Brothers and Sisters)
18. Other
19. Kevin McKidd (Journeyman)
20. Idris Elba (The Wire)
The list of Best accents, which is hard to reconcile with the Worst.
1. Hugh Laurie (House)
2. Anna Friel (Pushing Daisies)
3. Michelle Ryan (Bionic Woman)
4. Damian Lewis (Band of Brothers)
5. Minnie Driver (The Riches)
6. Eddie Izzard (The Riches)
7. Joely Richardson (Nip/Tuck)
8. Ian McShane (Deadwood)
9. Louise Lombard (CSI: Crime Scene Investigation)
10. Marianne Jean-Baptiste (Without a Trace)
11. Lena Headey (Terminator : The Sarah Connor Chronicles)
12. Jamie Bamber (Battlestar Galactica)
13. Matthew Rhys (Brothers and Sisters)
14. Dominic West (The Wire)
15. Lennie James (Jericho)
16. Sean Maguire (The Class)
17. Idris Elba (The Wire)
18. Sophia Myles (Moonlight)
19. Other
20. Kevin McKidd (Journeyman)

I've never seen most of those shows, and I've never heard of most of
the ones I haven't seen, but the one Worst I would list is Rachel
Griffiths (Brothers and Sisters) -- especially in the first season,
her Brit came out whenever she got excited.

South Brit, maybe. She's Australian.
I don't remember noticing this problem  in "Six Feet Under".

Post by Peter T. Daniels
As for the ones I have seen (Worsts 3, 4, 8, 13, and 17 = Bests 2, 1,
7, 18, 13), I would have no idea that any of them was not American,
except for Joely Richardson because I have the DVDs and she does
interviews in the extras. (Pushing Daisies never came back, even in
reruns, after the strike, so it's been something like 6 months since
I've seen it.)

I can't say I watch any of these shows regularly. But I have been
impressed when I've occasionally hear Hugh Laurie's American. Maybe
it's the contrast with the way I remember him as Bertie Wooster...

Watching the *Lost* finale tonight, I was reminded that Alan Dale
played impeccably American bad guys in both *The O.C.* and *Desperate
Housewives*, while in *Lost* he gets to use (presumably) his own
accent.

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From the Radio Times website, a poll of visitors (presumably mostly
British) about Brits on American TV with the worst American accents.

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I've never seen most of those shows, and I've never heard of most of
the ones I haven't seen, but the one Worst I would list is Rachel
Griffiths (Brothers and Sisters) -- especially in the first season,
her Brit came out whenever she got excited.

South Brit, maybe. She's Australian.
I don't remember noticing this problem in "Six Feet Under".

You didn't because there *wasn't* any problem. Her accent in SFU
was always pitch perfect for her character's age, class, and having
been raised on the Westside of Los Angeles -- an accent to which
I've been continuously exposed for 30 years now.

In the entire run of the series I can only remember once or twice
being jarred by the sound of something she said.

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I've never seen most of those shows, and I've never heard of most of
the ones I haven't seen, but the one Worst I would list is Rachel
Griffiths (Brothers and Sisters) -- especially in the first season,
her Brit came out whenever she got excited.

South Brit, maybe. She's Australian.
I don't remember noticing this problem  in "Six Feet Under".

You didn't because there *wasn't* any problem.  Her accent in SFU
was always pitch perfect for her character's age, class, and having
been raised on the Westside of Los Angeles -- an accent to which
I've been continuously exposed for 30 years now.
In the entire run of the series I can only remember once or twice
being jarred by the sound of something she said.

That's once or twice more than any of the others on the list that I've
seen ...

and about as many times as she slipped in the first season alone of
Brothers and Sisters. (Not in the second season at all, though.)

[Adam Funk]

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I've never seen most of those shows, and I've never heard of most of
the ones I haven't seen, but the one Worst I would list is Rachel
Griffiths (Brothers and Sisters) -- especially in the first season,
her Brit came out whenever she got excited.

South Brit, maybe. She's Australian.
I don't remember noticing this problem in "Six Feet Under".

You didn't because there *wasn't* any problem. Her accent in SFU
was always pitch perfect for her character's age, class, and having
been raised on the Westside of Los Angeles -- an accent to which
I've been continuously exposed for 30 years now.
In the entire run of the series I can only remember once or twice
being jarred by the sound of something she said.

I never noticed it, but I wasn't listening for it because I didn't
know that she was Australian until I saw an interview with her after
"Six Feet Under" finished, and it surprised me.

A very good show, anyway.

[Christian Weisgerber]

Post by Peter T. Daniels
I've never seen most of those shows, and I've never heard of most of
the ones I haven't seen, but the one Worst I would list is Rachel
Griffiths (Brothers and Sisters) -- especially in the first season,
her Brit came out whenever she got excited.

She's Australian, actually.

Coincidentally, over on the very American TV Squad blog, they have
just listed their five candidates for the best American accent:

* Johnny Lee Miller, Eli Stone
* Rachel Griffiths, Brothers and Sisters
* Jamie Bamber, Battlestar Galactica
* Anna Friel, Pushing Daisies
* Hugh Laurie, House

Post by Peter T. Daniels
As for the ones I have seen ([Anna Friel, Hugh Laurie, Joely
Richardson, Sophia Myles, Matthew Rhys]), I would have no idea
that any of them was not American,

I thought Sophia Myles slipped up a few times in the Moonlight pilot
(I understand she was cast on short notice), but I didn't notice
anything in later episodes.

[Ruud Harmsen]

I just saw a three second interview with Renee Zellweger and noted
that she sounded American. That amazed me, because, having seen
Bridget Jones's Diary (II or I, I don't know) again recently, I was
convinced she was British, just like Hugh Grant. But:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9e_Zellweger
she is from Texas!!

Questions:
1) Is she really that good at hiding her accent?
2) Am I so easy to fool?
3) Was she overdubbed in the film (a.k.a. movie)?
4) Two or three of the above?

If 2), why did I notice she was American even in this half sentence
she could say in this ultra-short interview?

[Ruud Harmsen]

Thu, 29 May 2008 19:26:42 +0200: Ruud Harmsen

Post by Ruud Harmsen
I just saw a three second interview with Renee Zellweger and noted
that she sounded American. That amazed me, because, having seen
Bridget Jones's Diary (II or I, I don't know) again recently, I was
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9e_Zellweger
she is from Texas!!

Right:
"Along with receiving voice coaching to fine-tune her English accent,
[..]"

Post by Ruud Harmsen
1) Is she really that good at hiding her accent?

That's it. Admirable.

[Peter T. Daniels]

Post by Ruud Harmsen
I just saw a three second interview with Renee Zellweger and noted
that she sounded American. That amazed me, because, having seen
Bridget Jones's Diary (II or I, I don't know) again recently, I was
convinced she was British, just like Hugh Grant. But:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9e_Zellweger
she is from Texas!!
1) Is she really that good at hiding her accent?
2) Am I so easy to fool?
3) Was she overdubbed in the film (a.k.a. movie)?
4) Two or three of the above?
If 2), why did I notice she was American even in this half sentence
she could say in this ultra-short interview?

Who's the South African of that ilk who recently took US citizenship?
I tend to see such stars, if at all, on Letterman, where they
presumably don't try to put on an accent, and she sounded far more
American in her recent appearance than she had the other time I saw
her.

[Harlan Messinger]

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Post by Ruud Harmsen
I just saw a three second interview with Renee Zellweger and noted
that she sounded American. That amazed me, because, having seen
Bridget Jones's Diary (II or I, I don't know) again recently, I was
convinced she was British, just like Hugh Grant. But:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9e_Zellweger
she is from Texas!!
1) Is she really that good at hiding her accent?
2) Am I so easy to fool?
3) Was she overdubbed in the film (a.k.a. movie)?
4) Two or three of the above?
If 2), why did I notice she was American even in this half sentence
she could say in this ultra-short interview?

Who's the South African of that ilk who recently took US citizenship?

Charlize Theron.

[Jim Heckman]

Post by Christian Weisgerber

Post by Peter T. Daniels
I've never seen most of those shows, and I've never heard of most of
the ones I haven't seen, but the one Worst I would list is Rachel
Griffiths (Brothers and Sisters) -- especially in the first season,
her Brit came out whenever she got excited.

She's Australian, actually.
Coincidentally, over on the very American TV Squad blog, they have
* Johnny Lee Miller, Eli Stone
* Rachel Griffiths, Brothers and Sisters
* Jamie Bamber, Battlestar Galactica

Indeed. I didn't even know he was British until, having watched
the first two seasons of BSG, I was startled to hear his native
London accent in an interview.

Post by Christian Weisgerber
* Anna Friel, Pushing Daisies
* Hugh Laurie, House

[...]

[Christian Weisgerber]

Post by Horace LaBadie
From the Radio Times website, a poll of visitors (presumably mostly
British) about Brits on American TV with the worst American accents.
<http://www.radiotimes.com/content/features/us-accents-results/>
[...]
The list of Best accents, which is hard to reconcile with the Worst.
[...]

These two lists are really just one list that should be captioned
"British actors in American TV shows which are popular in Britain".
It is utterly meaningless with regard to its purported topic.

If you want to hear flakey American accents, you need to keep an
eye out for American characters on *British* television shows.

[Peter T. Daniels]

Post by Christian Weisgerber

Post by Horace LaBadie
From the Radio Times website, a poll of visitors (presumably mostly
British) about Brits on American TV with the worst American accents.
<http://www.radiotimes.com/content/features/us-accents-results/>
[...]
The list of Best accents, which is hard to reconcile with the Worst.
[...]

These two lists are really just one list that should be captioned
"British actors in American TV shows which are popular in Britain".
It is utterly meaningless with regard to its purported topic.
If you want to hear flakey American accents, you need to keep an
eye out for American characters on *British* television shows.

I tend not to see the dramas, because they're usually multi-parters
and they tend to be opposite "continuing dramas" on the commercial
networks (didn't even see most of the Prime Suspects) so I probably
wouldn't get to the conclusion, but in the comedies, the "Americans"
in *As Time Goes By* are utterly pathetic -- it's one of the very few
re-watchable comedies ever made, but I cringe every time the "mini-
series" arc comes round, because of the wretched "Tony Barbosa"
character.

The other series that had a very occasional American character was
Rumpole -- I think it was his daughter-in-law, and she was in one,
maybe two, episodes, and did no better.

But then there was the time the BBC tried to do a Kaufman & Hart show-
biz drama about Hollywood, but they cast the fellow who had been such
a magnificent Lord Peter Wimsey (why didn't they ever make the rest of
the novels? Glenda Jackson would have been a perfect Harret Vane) as
the main character, and he didn't have the foggiest idea of how an
American sounds or moves.

[Horace LaBadie]

In article

Post by Peter T. Daniels
But then there was the time the BBC tried to do a Kaufman & Hart show-
biz drama about Hollywood, but they cast the fellow who had been such
a magnificent Lord Peter Wimsey (why didn't they ever make the rest of
the novels? Glenda Jackson would have been a perfect Harret Vane) as
the main character, and he didn't have the foggiest idea of how an
American sounds or moves.

They did, in 1987-88 with Peter Wimsey played by Edward Petherbridge and
Harriet Vane played by Harriet Walter.

Physically, Petherbridge was more like the literary figure than Ian
Carmichael, but not nearly as good in the role.

[Peter T. Daniels]

Post by Horace LaBadie
In article

Post by Peter T. Daniels
But then there was the time the BBC tried to do a Kaufman & Hart show-
biz drama about Hollywood, but they cast the fellow who had been such
a magnificent Lord Peter Wimsey (why didn't they ever make the rest of
the novels? Glenda Jackson would have been a perfect Harret Vane) as
the main character, and he didn't have the foggiest idea of how an
American sounds or moves.

They did, in 1987-88 with Peter Wimsey played by Edward Petherbridge and
Harriet Vane played by Harriet Walter.
Physically, Petherbridge was more like the literary figure than Ian
Carmichael, but not nearly as good in the role.

Maybe that's why however many he made didn't show up on American
TV ... or on American DVD.

[Horace LaBadie]

In article

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Post by Horace LaBadie
In article

Post by Peter T. Daniels
But then there was the time the BBC tried to do a Kaufman & Hart show-
biz drama about Hollywood, but they cast the fellow who had been such
a magnificent Lord Peter Wimsey (why didn't they ever make the rest of
the novels? Glenda Jackson would have been a perfect Harret Vane) as
the main character, and he didn't have the foggiest idea of how an
American sounds or moves.

They did, in 1987-88 with Peter Wimsey played by Edward Petherbridge and
Harriet Vane played by Harriet Walter.
Physically, Petherbridge was more like the literary figure than Ian
Carmichael, but not nearly as good in the role.

Maybe that's why however many he made didn't show up on American
TV ... or on American DVD.

Ran on PBS Mystery.

DVDs are available. Here's the link to the PBS site's store.

<http://www.shoppbs.org/>

Search for Dorothy L. Sayers.

They are cheaper elsewhere, however.

[Peter T. Daniels]

On May 29, 11:57 pm, Horace LaBadie

Post by Horace LaBadie
In article

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Post by Horace LaBadie
In article

Post by Peter T. Daniels
But then there was the time the BBC tried to do a Kaufman & Hart show-
biz drama about Hollywood, but they cast the fellow who had been such
a magnificent Lord Peter Wimsey (why didn't they ever make the rest of
the novels? Glenda Jackson would have been a perfect Harret Vane) as
the main character, and he didn't have the foggiest idea of how an
American sounds or moves.

They did, in 1987-88 with Peter Wimsey played by Edward Petherbridge and
Harriet Vane played by Harriet Walter.
Physically, Petherbridge was more like the literary figure than Ian
Carmichael, but not nearly as good in the role.

Maybe that's why however many he made didn't show up on American
TV ... or on American DVD.

Ran on PBS Mystery.
DVDs are available. Here's the link to the PBS site's store.
<http://www.shoppbs.org/>
Search for Dorothy L. Sayers.

"wimsey" gets three hits, "sayers" three, one of them irrelevant.
Hardly 14 titles betwen the two actors!

Post by Horace LaBadie
They are cheaper elsewhere, however.-

[Horace LaBadie]

In article

Post by Peter T. Daniels
On May 29, 11:57 pm, Horace LaBadie

Post by Horace LaBadie
In article

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Post by Horace LaBadie
In article

Post by Peter T. Daniels
But then there was the time the BBC tried to do a Kaufman & Hart show-
biz drama about Hollywood, but they cast the fellow who had been such
a magnificent Lord Peter Wimsey (why didn't they ever make the rest of
the novels? Glenda Jackson would have been a perfect Harret Vane) as
the main character, and he didn't have the foggiest idea of how an
American sounds or moves.

They did, in 1987-88 with Peter Wimsey played by Edward Petherbridge and
Harriet Vane played by Harriet Walter.
Physically, Petherbridge was more like the literary figure than Ian
Carmichael, but not nearly as good in the role.

Maybe that's why however many he made didn't show up on American
TV ... or on American DVD.

Ran on PBS Mystery.
DVDs are available. Here's the link to the PBS site's store.
<http://www.shoppbs.org/>
Search for Dorothy L. Sayers.

"wimsey" gets three hits, "sayers" three, one of them irrelevant.
Hardly 14 titles betwen the two actors!

For the seven major works in the Wimsey corpus, 14 seems adequate.
Carmichael did four: Clouds of Witness, The Unpleasantness at the
Bellona Club, Murder Must Advertise, and The Nine Tailors. Petherbridge
did the remaining three, Strong Poison, Have His Carcase, and Gaudy
Night, in the latter of which Wimsey is more or less an appendage, a
selling point for the publisher to advertise it as a "Lord Peter Wimsey
Mystery."

"Busman's Honeymoon" I don't think was ever adapted for television,
although there is a movie, a play, and an audio cassette version
(Carmichael reading).

[Peter T. Daniels]

On May 30, 11:59 am, Horace LaBadie

Post by Horace LaBadie
In article

Post by Peter T. Daniels
On May 29, 11:57 pm, Horace LaBadie

Post by Horace LaBadie
In article

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Post by Horace LaBadie
In article

Post by Peter T. Daniels
But then there was the time the BBC tried to do a Kaufman & Hart show-
biz drama about Hollywood, but they cast the fellow who had been such
a magnificent Lord Peter Wimsey (why didn't they ever make the rest of
the novels? Glenda Jackson would have been a perfect Harret Vane) as
the main character, and he didn't have the foggiest idea of how an
American sounds or moves.

They did, in 1987-88 with Peter Wimsey played by Edward Petherbridge and
Harriet Vane played by Harriet Walter.
Physically, Petherbridge was more like the literary figure than Ian
Carmichael, but not nearly as good in the role.

Maybe that's why however many he made didn't show up on American
TV ... or on American DVD.

Ran on PBS Mystery.
DVDs are available. Here's the link to the PBS site's store.
<http://www.shoppbs.org/>
Search for Dorothy L. Sayers.

"wimsey" gets three hits, "sayers" three, one of them irrelevant.
Hardly 14 titles betwen the two actors!

For the seven major works in the Wimsey corpus, 14 seems adequate.
Carmichael did four: Clouds of Witness, The Unpleasantness at the
Bellona Club, Murder Must Advertise, and The Nine Tailors. Petherbridge
did the remaining three, Strong Poison, Have His Carcase, and Gaudy
Night, in the latter of which Wimsey is more or less an appendage, a
selling point for the publisher to advertise it as a "Lord Peter Wimsey
Mystery."

How can you claim there are "seven major works"? There are (IIRC) 14
novels, plus one that was left in partial manuscript and completed
from notes, plus another that was the complete creation of the woman
who did the earlier completion; plus the volume of short stories.
.

Post by Horace LaBadie
"Busman's Honeymoon" I don't think was ever adapted for television,
although there is a movie, a play, and an audio cassette version
(Carmichael reading).-

[Brian M. Scott]

On Fri, 30 May 2008 12:14:05 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"

Post by Peter T. Daniels
On May 30, 11:59 am, Horace LaBadie

Post by Horace LaBadie
In article

[...]

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Post by Horace LaBadie

Post by Peter T. Daniels
"wimsey" gets three hits, "sayers" three, one of them
irrelevant. Hardly 14 titles betwen the two actors!

For the seven major works in the Wimsey corpus, 14 seems
adequate. Carmichael did four: Clouds of Witness, The
Unpleasantness at the Bellona Club, Murder Must
Advertise, and The Nine Tailors.

I believe that he also did _Five Red Herrings_.

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Post by Horace LaBadie
Petherbridge did the remaining three, Strong Poison, Have
His Carcase, and Gaudy Night, in the latter of which
Wimsey is more or less an appendage, a selling point for
the publisher to advertise it as a "Lord Peter Wimsey
Mystery."

How can you claim there are "seven major works"? There are
(IIRC) 14 novels, plus one that was left in partial
manuscript and completed from notes, plus another that
was the complete creation of the woman who did the
earlier completion; plus the volume of short stories.

There are 11 by Sayers, another that she started and Jill
Paton Walsh completed, and one by Jill Paton Walsh. Horace
omits _Whose Body?_, _Unnatural Death_, and _Five Red
Herrings_, and bizarrely fails to include _Busman's
Honeymoon_ among the major works.

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Post by Horace LaBadie
"Busman's Honeymoon" I don't think was ever adapted for
television, although there is a movie, a play, and an
audio cassette version (Carmichael reading).-

In fact it was originally a play.

Brian

[Peter T. Daniels]

Post by Brian M. Scott
On Fri, 30 May 2008 12:14:05 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"

Post by Peter T. Daniels
On May 30, 11:59 am, Horace LaBadie

Post by Horace LaBadie
In article

[...]

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Post by Horace LaBadie

Post by Peter T. Daniels
"wimsey" gets three hits, "sayers" three, one of them
irrelevant. Hardly 14 titles betwen the two actors!

For the seven major works in the Wimsey corpus, 14 seems
adequate. Carmichael did four: Clouds of Witness, The
Unpleasantness at the Bellona Club, Murder Must
Advertise, and The Nine Tailors.

I believe that he also did _Five Red Herrings_.

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Post by Horace LaBadie
Petherbridge did the remaining three, Strong Poison, Have
His Carcase, and Gaudy Night, in the latter of which
Wimsey is more or less an appendage, a selling point for
the publisher to advertise it as a "Lord Peter Wimsey
Mystery."

How can you claim there are "seven major works"? There are
(IIRC) 14 novels, plus one that was left in partial
manuscript and completed from notes, plus another that
was the complete creation of the woman who did the
earlier completion; plus the volume of short stories.

There are 11 by Sayers, another that she started and Jill
Paton Walsh completed, and one by Jill Paton Walsh.  Horace
omits _Whose Body?_, _Unnatural Death_, and _Five Red
Herrings_, and bizarrely fails to include _Busman's
Honeymoon_ among the major works.

Only 11? (+2 and the stories). No wonder I feel deprived.

I still don't see how that translates to "seven major works."

Post by Brian M. Scott

Post by Peter T. Daniels

Post by Horace LaBadie
"Busman's Honeymoon" I don't think was ever adapted for
television, although there is a movie, a play, and an
audio cassette version (Carmichael reading).-

In fact it was originally a play.

[Horace LaBadie]

Post by Brian M. Scott
and bizarrely fails to include _Busman's
Honeymoon_ among the major works.

I didn't care for it.

[Brian M. Scott]

On Fri, 30 May 2008 17:40:53 -0400, Horace LaBadie

Post by Horace LaBadie

Post by Brian M. Scott
and bizarrely fails to include _Busman's
Honeymoon_ among the major works.

I didn't care for it.

No accounting for taste. I've probably reread it more often
than all of the other combined, followed by _Murder Must
Advertise_ and _Strong Poison_. If pressed, though, I might
pick _Nine Tailors_ as the best piece of writing.

Brian

[Horace LaBadie]

In article

Post by Peter T. Daniels
How can you claim there are "seven major works"? There are (IIRC) 14
novels, plus one that was left in partial manuscript and completed
from notes, plus another that was the complete creation of the woman
who did the earlier completion; plus the volume of short stories.

Quite easily and incorrectly, as it turns out. I forgot "Whose Body,"
"Five Red Herrings," and "Unnatural Death."