Fri, 2 Feb 2018 00:19:38 -0800 (PST): Arnaud Fournet
Post by Arnaud Fournet Post by Peter T. Daniels Post by Arnaud Fournet Post by Peter T. Daniels Post by Arnaud Fournet Post by Peter T. Daniels Post by Arnaud Fournet Post by Peter T. Daniels Post by Adam Funk
So why have we half-translated (preserving Latin word order) one of
them ("enter Hamlet" for "introit Hamlet")?
The motet (or sentences, or whatever) sung during the procession at the start
of Mass is called the introit (two syllables, doesn't rhyme with Detroit because
the stress is on the first syllable).
Normally, the introit is sung *after* the procession is finished.
The way it's done in French churches -- especially the special-dispensation pre-Vatican II
ones you apparently prefer -- is not relevant to the usage in American RC churches or the English language.
I agree these people have nothing to do with Catholicism and the Church, founded by Jesus Christ.
Like a good Catholic, you seem never to have read the Bible. Jesus did not
"found a church."
Jesus founded the Church, as written in the New Testament.
Chapter and verse, as they say?
St Matthew 6-18
Jesus talking to Simon-Peter: I say to thee, Simon son of Jonas, that thou art Peter (= Stone) and upon that rock I will build my Church.
So, obviously, Jesus states that he puts Simon-Peter in charge of the Church.
Note that there's a reference to the Hebrew word tzur "rock", that is used in the psalms as another name of God. So there's an equivalence God = Jesus = My rock = The Church.
Quite absurdly, Protestants who don't understand (or pretend not to) what the Church is, write my church (with little c) as if it were some kind of mundane building.
No, they don't. Protestant translations (like the Dutch
Statenvertaling that I quoted) translate Greek ekklesia as something
like "communinity" (Dutch: gemeente, cognate with German Gemeinde),
which is what the Greek word meant before the Christian era:
It was more of less a parliament, a congregation, like Congress in the
So Jezus commanded Petrus to establish a democratic church?
Post by Arnaud Fournet
Nonsense, of course.
The Church, put in the hands of Simon-Peter, is of course the Gathering of the Faithful: the Church, founded by Jesus. Chrystal clear.
Gathering. Vergadering, bijeenkomst, meeting, assembly. All valid
word. There is something to say for all interpretations and they are
"[...] ekkaléo, to call forth, summon [...]
Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com