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Media describe elderly Jewish woman's murder in Paris as 'a work of the unbalanced'
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Dingbat
2017-04-07 21:21:08 UTC
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In a violent attack causing trepidation amongst Paris’ Jewish community, a 66-year-old Orthodox woman, Sarah Halimi, was murdered to the cry of ‘‘Allahu Akbar’’ early Tuesday morning, pushed from the window of her top-floor apartment in Paris’ 11th arrondissement.

The accused, a 27-year-old of Muslim origin known to police for a string of offenses, had broken into the apartment of his victim – reportedly scaling the exterior wall from the floor below where he lived with his parents – to stab his victim before throwing her to her death.

Whilst the motives behind this crime are not yet 100% clear, it represents a growing phenomenon of criminal acts being preceded by cries of ‘‘Allahu Akbar’’ (‘’God is Great’’) consistently explained by French media as the acts of ‘’déséquilibrés’’, the ‘’unbalanced’’ – a word fast entering the lexicon for such circumstances.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/04/paris-horror-elderly-jewish-woman-thrown-apartment-death-cry-allahu-akbar/


I say: For brevity, my comments are limited to the use of the word. Notwithstanding the possible legal implication that the unbalanced might be not guilty by reason of insanity, ’déséquilibrés' is not used only if one who commits violence is Muslim. In the following title of a movie with no Muslim characters, a boy who pushed a girl off the bridge is described as déséquilibrés:

Déséquilibres (1982) - IMDb
Short · A handicapped woman recognizes the man who, when they were children, pushed her off a bridge
Joe Fineman
2017-04-07 21:46:02 UTC
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I say: For brevity, my comments are limited to the use of the
word. Notwithstanding the possible legal implication that the
unbalanced might be not guilty by reason of insanity, ’déséquilibrés'
is not used only if one who commits violence is Muslim. In the
following title of a movie with no Muslim characters, a boy who pushed
I am told that, in England & in English, coroners rendering a verdict of
suicide are fond of saying "while the balance of his mind was
temporarily disturbed". Lovely irony.
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2017-04-08 03:17:09 UTC
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In a violent attack causing trepidation amongst Paris’ Jewish community, a
66-year-old Orthodox woman, Sarah Halimi, was murdered to the cry of ‘‘Allahu
Akbar’’ early Tuesday morning, pushed from the window of her top-floor
apartment in Paris’ 11th arrondissement.
The accused, a 27-year-old of Muslim origin known to police for a string of
offenses, had broken into the apartment of his victim – reportedly scaling
the exterior wall from the floor below where he lived with his parents – to
stab his victim before throwing her to her death.
Whilst the motives behind this crime are not yet 100% clear, it represents a
growing phenomenon of criminal acts being preceded by cries of ‘‘Allahu
Akbar’’ (‘’God is Great’’) consistently explained by French media as the acts
of ‘’déséquilibrés’’, the ‘’unbalanced’’ – a word fast entering the lexicon
for such circumstances.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/04/paris-horror-elderly-jewish-woman-thrown-apartment-death-cry-allahu-akbar/
I say: For brevity, my comments are limited to the use of the word.
Notwithstanding the possible legal implication that the unbalanced might be
not guilty by reason of insanity, ’déséquilibrés' is not used only if one who
commits violence is Muslim. In the following title of a movie with no Muslim
characters, a boy who pushed a girl off the bridge is described as
Déséquilibres (1982) - IMDb
Short · A handicapped woman recognizes the man who, when they were children,
pushed her off a bridge
That pnly shows it had previous currency, it doesn't negate a new
specialized development.
Arnaud Fournet
2017-04-08 08:00:29 UTC
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In a violent attack causing trepidation amongst Paris’ Jewish community, a 66-year-old Orthodox woman, Sarah Halimi, was murdered to the cry of ‘‘Allahu Akbar’’ early Tuesday morning, pushed from the window of her top-floor apartment in Paris’ 11th arrondissement.
The accused, a 27-year-old of Muslim origin known to police for a string of offenses, had broken into the apartment of his victim – reportedly scaling the exterior wall from the floor below where he lived with his parents – to stab his victim before throwing her to her death.
Whilst the motives behind this crime are not yet 100% clear, it represents a growing phenomenon of criminal acts being preceded by cries of ‘‘Allahu Akbar’’ (‘’God is Great’’) consistently explained by French media as the acts of ‘’déséquilibrés’’, the ‘’unbalanced’’ – a word fast entering the lexicon for such circumstances.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/04/paris-horror-elderly-jewish-woman-thrown-apartment-death-cry-allahu-akbar/
Déséquilibres (1982) - IMDb
Short · A handicapped woman recognizes the man who, when they were children, pushed her off a bridge
there's a tendency among "French" medias to describe Muslim murderers as "unbalanced" people. This is based on the fiction that Islam is a religion of peace, and therefore, Muslims who murder for islamic sake are not doing so, according to that fiction.
I think there's something in these islamo-jihadist murders and attacks a feature that the medias' ideology cannot even think: murder in the name of Islam. They believe it cannot exist, even though the Qoran is brimful with calls to murder, throatcutting and massmurder.
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2017-04-08 10:24:25 UTC
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In a violent attack causing trepidation amongst Paris’ Jewish community, a 66-year-old Orthodox woman, Sarah Halimi, was murdered to the cry of ‘‘Allahu Akbar’’ early Tuesday morning, pushed from the window of her top-floor apartment in Paris’ 11th arrondissement.
The accused, a 27-year-old of Muslim origin known to police for a string of offenses, had broken into the apartment of his victim – reportedly scaling the exterior wall from the floor below where he lived with his parents – to stab his victim before throwing her to her death.
Whilst the motives behind this crime are not yet 100% clear, it represents a growing phenomenon of criminal acts being preceded by cries of ‘‘Allahu Akbar’’ (‘’God is Great’’) consistently explained by French media as the acts of ‘’déséquilibrés’’, the ‘’unbalanced’’ – a word fast entering the lexicon for such circumstances.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/04/paris-horror-elderly-jewish-woman-thrown-apartment-death-cry-allahu-akbar/
Déséquilibres (1982) - IMDb
Short · A handicapped woman recognizes the man who, when they were children, pushed her off a bridge
there's a tendency among "French" medias to describe Muslim murderers as "unbalanced" people.
With all due respect to victims and all due condolence to their survivors and with all due cognizance that these instances make grisly reading, my take on it was that if French news media use 'unbalanced' to refer to non-Muslim murderers too (or attempted murderers), then it's not clear that they're making a special concession to Muslims by calling their murderers unbalanced.
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This is based on the fiction that Islam is a religion of peace, and therefore, Muslims who murder for islamic sake are not doing so, according to that fiction.
I haven't addressed what it is based on, so whether this observation be true or not is irrelevant to my observation.
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In a violent attack causing trepidation amongst Paris’ Jewish community, a 66-year-old Orthodox woman, Sarah Halimi, was murdered to the cry of ‘‘Allahu Akbar’’ early Tuesday morning, pushed from the window of her top-floor apartment in Paris’ 11th arrondissement.
The accused, a 27-year-old of Muslim origin known to police for a string of offenses, had broken into the apartment of his victim – reportedly scaling the exterior wall from the floor below where he lived with his parents – to stab his victim before throwing her to her death.
Whilst the motives behind this crime are not yet 100% clear, it represents a growing phenomenon of criminal acts being preceded by cries of ‘‘Allahu Akbar’’ (‘’God is Great’’) consistently explained by French media as the acts of ‘’déséquilibrés’’, the ‘’unbalanced’’ – a word fast entering the lexicon for such circumstances.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/04/paris-horror-elderly-jewish-woman-thrown-apartment-death-cry-allahu-akbar/
Déséquilibres (1982) - IMDb
Short · A handicapped woman recognizes the man who, when they were children, pushed her off a bridge
there's a tendency among "French" medias to describe Muslim murderers as "unbalanced" people.
With all due respect to victims and all due condolence to their survivors and with all due cognizance that these instances make grisly reading, my take on it was that if French news media use 'unbalanced' to refer to non-Muslim murderers too (or attempted murderers), then it's not clear that they're making a special concession to Muslims by calling their murderers unbalanced.
"French" medias, most of which are in fact pro-USA, pro-NATO, pro-Zionist, if not bought and sold-out to them, never use the word "déséquilibré", except for Muslim murderers.
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This is based on the fiction that Islam is a religion of peace, and therefore, Muslims who murder for islamic sake are not doing so, according to that fiction.
I haven't addressed what it is based on, so whether this observation be true or not is irrelevant to my observation.
What was your "observation"?
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Dingbat
2017-04-08 12:51:37 UTC
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In a violent attack causing trepidation amongst Paris’ Jewish community, a 66-year-old Orthodox woman, Sarah Halimi, was murdered to the cry of ‘‘Allahu Akbar’’ early Tuesday morning, pushed from the window of her top-floor apartment in Paris’ 11th arrondissement.
The accused, a 27-year-old of Muslim origin known to police for a string of offenses, had broken into the apartment of his victim – reportedly scaling the exterior wall from the floor below where he lived with his parents – to stab his victim before throwing her to her death.
Whilst the motives behind this crime are not yet 100% clear, it represents a growing phenomenon of criminal acts being preceded by cries of ‘‘Allahu Akbar’’ (‘’God is Great’’) consistently explained by French media as the acts of ‘’déséquilibrés’’, the ‘’unbalanced’’ – a word fast entering the lexicon for such circumstances.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/04/paris-horror-elderly-jewish-woman-thrown-apartment-death-cry-allahu-akbar/
Déséquilibres (1982) - IMDb
Short · A handicapped woman recognizes the man who, when they were children, pushed her off a bridge
there's a tendency among "French" medias to describe Muslim murderers as "unbalanced" people.
With all due respect to victims and all due condolence to their survivors and with all due cognizance that these instances make grisly reading, my take on it was that if French news media use 'unbalanced' to refer to non-Muslim murderers too (or attempted murderers), then it's not clear that they're making a special concession to Muslims by calling their murderers unbalanced.
"French" medias, most of which are in fact pro-USA, pro-NATO, pro-Zionist, if not bought and sold-out to them, never use the word "déséquilibré", except for Muslim murderers.
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This is based on the fiction that Islam is a religion of peace, and therefore, Muslims who murder for islamic sake are not doing so, according to that fiction.
I haven't addressed what it is based on, so whether this observation be true or not is irrelevant to my observation.
What was your "observation"?
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That the word is not used just for Muslim murderers. I gave an example of a non-Muslim who pushed a girl off a bridge. As it happened (in the story) she survived but not because he was not trying to kill her.
Ruud Harmsen
2017-04-08 14:30:56 UTC
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Sat, 8 Apr 2017 05:51:37 -0700 (PDT): Dingbat
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Flibsy
2017-04-08 14:48:43 UTC
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When are people in this newsgroup going to stop using Google Groups so
they no longer post such unreadable junk?
Every posting in this thread is perfectly readable except yours. Maybe the
problem is in your reader. (Still using Free Agent, are you?)
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Sat, 8 Apr 2017 05:51:37 -0700 (PDT): Dingbat
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2017-04-08 17:42:28 UTC
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In a violent attack causing trepidation amongst Paris’ Jewish community, a 66-year-old Orthodox woman, Sarah Halimi, was murdered to the cry of ‘‘Allahu Akbar’’ early Tuesday morning, pushed from the window of her top-floor apartment in Paris’ 11th arrondissement.
The accused, a 27-year-old of Muslim origin known to police for a string of offenses, had broken into the apartment of his victim – reportedly scaling the exterior wall from the floor below where he lived with his parents – to stab his victim before throwing her to her death.
Whilst the motives behind this crime are not yet 100% clear, it represents a growing phenomenon of criminal acts being preceded by cries of ‘‘Allahu Akbar’’ (‘’God is Great’’) consistently explained by French media as the acts of ‘’déséquilibrés’’, the ‘’unbalanced’’ – a word fast entering the lexicon for such circumstances.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/04/paris-horror-elderly-jewish-woman-thrown-apartment-death-cry-allahu-akbar/
Déséquilibres (1982) - IMDb
Short · A handicapped woman recognizes the man who, when they were children, pushed her off a bridge
there's a tendency among "French" medias to describe Muslim murderers as "unbalanced" people.
With all due respect to victims and all due condolence to their survivors and with all due cognizance that these instances make grisly reading, my take on it was that if French news media use 'unbalanced' to refer to non-Muslim murderers too (or attempted murderers), then it's not clear that they're making a special concession to Muslims by calling their murderers unbalanced.
"French" medias, most of which are in fact pro-USA, pro-NATO, pro-Zionist, if not bought and sold-out to them, never use the word "déséquilibré", except for Muslim murderers.
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This is based on the fiction that Islam is a religion of peace, and therefore, Muslims who murder for islamic sake are not doing so, according to that fiction.
I haven't addressed what it is based on, so whether this observation be true or not is irrelevant to my observation.
What was your "observation"?
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That the word is not used just for Muslim murderers. I gave an example of a non-Muslim who pushed a girl off a bridge. As it happened (in the story) she survived but not because he was not trying to kill her.
your other occurrence dates back to 1982,
so it's irrelevant for present-day smokescreen euphemisms for "religiously motivated islam-based murders".
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In a violent attack causing trepidation amongst Paris’ Jewish community, a 66-year-old Orthodox woman, Sarah Halimi, was murdered to the cry of ‘‘Allahu Akbar’’ early Tuesday morning, pushed from the window of her top-floor apartment in Paris’ 11th arrondissement.
The accused, a 27-year-old of Muslim origin known to police for a string of offenses, had broken into the apartment of his victim – reportedly scaling the exterior wall from the floor below where he lived with his parents – to stab his victim before throwing her to her death.
Whilst the motives behind this crime are not yet 100% clear, it represents a growing phenomenon of criminal acts being preceded by cries of ‘‘Allahu Akbar’’ (‘’God is Great’’) consistently explained by French media as the acts of ‘’déséquilibrés’’, the ‘’unbalanced’’ – a word fast entering the lexicon for such circumstances.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/04/paris-horror-elderly-jewish-woman-thrown-apartment-death-cry-allahu-akbar/
Déséquilibres (1982) - IMDb
Short · A handicapped woman recognizes the man who, when they were children, pushed her off a bridge
there's a tendency among "French" medias to describe Muslim murderers as "unbalanced" people.
With all due respect to victims and all due condolence to their survivors and with all due cognizance that these instances make grisly reading, my take on it was that if French news media use 'unbalanced' to refer to non-Muslim murderers too (or attempted murderers), then it's not clear that they're making a special concession to Muslims by calling their murderers unbalanced.
"French" medias, most of which are in fact pro-USA, pro-NATO, pro-Zionist, if not bought and sold-out to them, never use the word "déséquilibré", except for Muslim murderers.
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This is based on the fiction that Islam is a religion of peace, and therefore, Muslims who murder for islamic sake are not doing so, according to that fiction.
I haven't addressed what it is based on, so whether this observation be true or not is irrelevant to my observation.
What was your "observation"?
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That the word is not used just for Muslim murderers. I gave an example of a non-Muslim who pushed a girl off a bridge. As it happened (in the story) she survived but not because he was not trying to kill her.
your other occurrence dates back to 1982,
so it's irrelevant for present-day smokescreen euphemisms for "religiously motivated islam-based murders".
A.
If the dog whistle is understood by everybody it is just
as effective a communication as an explicit statement. This
is the way that racial facts are communicated in the US.

To me even the most devout Muslim must be unbalanced to commit
murder for any motive whatsoever. I consider murder an unnatural
action for a human being.
Dingbat
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In a violent attack causing trepidation amongst Paris’ Jewish community, a 66-year-old Orthodox woman, Sarah Halimi, was murdered to the cry of ‘‘Allahu Akbar’’ early Tuesday morning, pushed from the window of her top-floor apartment in Paris’ 11th arrondissement.
The accused, a 27-year-old of Muslim origin known to police for a string of offenses, had broken into the apartment of his victim – reportedly scaling the exterior wall from the floor below where he lived with his parents – to stab his victim before throwing her to her death.
Whilst the motives behind this crime are not yet 100% clear, it represents a growing phenomenon of criminal acts being preceded by cries of ‘‘Allahu Akbar’’ (‘’God is Great’’) consistently explained by French media as the acts of ‘’déséquilibrés’’, the ‘’unbalanced’’ – a word fast entering the lexicon for such circumstances.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/04/paris-horror-elderly-jewish-woman-thrown-apartment-death-cry-allahu-akbar/
Déséquilibres (1982) - IMDb
Short · A handicapped woman recognizes the man who, when they were children, pushed her off a bridge
there's a tendency among "French" medias to describe Muslim murderers as "unbalanced" people.
With all due respect to victims and all due condolence to their survivors and with all due cognizance that these instances make grisly reading, my take on it was that if French news media use 'unbalanced' to refer to non-Muslim murderers too (or attempted murderers), then it's not clear that they're making a special concession to Muslims by calling their murderers unbalanced.
"French" medias, most of which are in fact pro-USA, pro-NATO, pro-Zionist, if not bought and sold-out to them, never use the word "déséquilibré", except for Muslim murderers.
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This is based on the fiction that Islam is a religion of peace, and therefore, Muslims who murder for islamic sake are not doing so, according to that fiction.
I haven't addressed what it is based on, so whether this observation be true or not is irrelevant to my observation.
What was your "observation"?
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That the word is not used just for Muslim murderers. I gave an example of a non-Muslim who pushed a girl off a bridge. As it happened (in the story) she survived but not because he was not trying to kill her.
your other occurrence dates back to 1982,
so it's irrelevant for present-day smokescreen euphemisms for "religiously motivated islam-based murders".
A.
If the dog whistle is understood by everybody it is just
as effective a communication as an explicit statement. This
is the way that racial facts are communicated in the US.
To me even the most devout Muslim must be unbalanced to commit
murder for any motive whatsoever. I consider murder an unnatural
action for a human being.
A few decades back, I attended a speech by a white American convert to Islam on the subject of Khomeini's death sentence on Salman Rushdie. 'Just as there are causes worth dying for, there are causes worth killing for,' he thundered. That drew a rousing ovation from the audience, mostly Muslim (including women); they erupted 'Allah hu akbar!' Was the whole audience unbalanced? Search for jihad here:
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2005/05/hirsi_ali_the_empowered_aposta.html
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In a violent attack causing trepidation amongst Paris’ Jewish community, a 66-year-old Orthodox woman, Sarah Halimi, was murdered to the cry of ‘‘Allahu Akbar’’ early Tuesday morning, pushed from the window of her top-floor apartment in Paris’ 11th arrondissement.
The accused, a 27-year-old of Muslim origin known to police for a string of offenses, had broken into the apartment of his victim – reportedly scaling the exterior wall from the floor below where he lived with his parents – to stab his victim before throwing her to her death.
Whilst the motives behind this crime are not yet 100% clear, it represents a growing phenomenon of criminal acts being preceded by cries of ‘‘Allahu Akbar’’ (‘’God is Great’’) consistently explained by French media as the acts of ‘’déséquilibrés’’, the ‘’unbalanced’’ – a word fast entering the lexicon for such circumstances.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/04/paris-horror-elderly-jewish-woman-thrown-apartment-death-cry-allahu-akbar/
Déséquilibres (1982) - IMDb
Short · A handicapped woman recognizes the man who, when they were children, pushed her off a bridge
there's a tendency among "French" medias to describe Muslim murderers as "unbalanced" people.
With all due respect to victims and all due condolence to their survivors and with all due cognizance that these instances make grisly reading, my take on it was that if French news media use 'unbalanced' to refer to non-Muslim murderers too (or attempted murderers), then it's not clear that they're making a special concession to Muslims by calling their murderers unbalanced.
"French" medias, most of which are in fact pro-USA, pro-NATO, pro-Zionist, if not bought and sold-out to them, never use the word "déséquilibré", except for Muslim murderers.
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This is based on the fiction that Islam is a religion of peace, and therefore, Muslims who murder for islamic sake are not doing so, according to that fiction.
I haven't addressed what it is based on, so whether this observation be true or not is irrelevant to my observation.
What was your "observation"?
A.
That the word is not used just for Muslim murderers. I gave an example of a non-Muslim who pushed a girl off a bridge. As it happened (in the story) she survived but not because he was not trying to kill her.
your other occurrence dates back to 1982,
so it's irrelevant for present-day smokescreen euphemisms for "religiously motivated islam-based murders".
A.
If the dog whistle is understood by everybody it is just
as effective a communication as an explicit statement. This
is the way that racial facts are communicated in the US.
To me even the most devout Muslim must be unbalanced to commit
murder for any motive whatsoever. I consider murder an unnatural
action for a human being.
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2005/05/hirsi_ali_the_empowered_aposta.html
I only look at action - not at talk. Advocating murder is not
a good thing but it is not actual murder.
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In a violent attack causing trepidation amongst Paris’ Jewish community, a 66-year-old Orthodox woman, Sarah Halimi, was murdered to the cry of ‘‘Allahu Akbar’’ early Tuesday morning, pushed from the window of her top-floor apartment in Paris’ 11th arrondissement.
The accused, a 27-year-old of Muslim origin known to police for a string of offenses, had broken into the apartment of his victim – reportedly scaling the exterior wall from the floor below where he lived with his parents – to stab his victim before throwing her to her death.
Whilst the motives behind this crime are not yet 100% clear, it represents a growing phenomenon of criminal acts being preceded by cries of ‘‘Allahu Akbar’’ (‘’God is Great’’) consistently explained by French media as the acts of ‘’déséquilibrés’’, the ‘’unbalanced’’ – a word fast entering the lexicon for such circumstances.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/04/paris-horror-elderly-jewish-woman-thrown-apartment-death-cry-allahu-akbar/
Déséquilibres (1982) - IMDb
Short · A handicapped woman recognizes the man who, when they were children, pushed her off a bridge
there's a tendency among "French" medias to describe Muslim murderers as "unbalanced" people.
With all due respect to victims and all due condolence to their survivors and with all due cognizance that these instances make grisly reading, my take on it was that if French news media use 'unbalanced' to refer to non-Muslim murderers too (or attempted murderers), then it's not clear that they're making a special concession to Muslims by calling their murderers unbalanced.
"French" medias, most of which are in fact pro-USA, pro-NATO, pro-Zionist, if not bought and sold-out to them, never use the word "déséquilibré", except for Muslim murderers.
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This is based on the fiction that Islam is a religion of peace, and therefore, Muslims who murder for islamic sake are not doing so, according to that fiction.
I haven't addressed what it is based on, so whether this observation be true or not is irrelevant to my observation.
What was your "observation"?
A.
That the word is not used just for Muslim murderers. I gave an example of a non-Muslim who pushed a girl off a bridge. As it happened (in the story) she survived but not because he was not trying to kill her.
your other occurrence dates back to 1982,
so it's irrelevant for present-day smokescreen euphemisms for "religiously motivated islam-based murders".
A.
If the dog whistle is understood by everybody it is just
as effective a communication as an explicit statement. This
is the way that racial facts are communicated in the US.
To me even the most devout Muslim must be unbalanced to commit
murder for any motive whatsoever. I consider murder an unnatural
action for a human being.
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2005/05/hirsi_ali_the_empowered_aposta.html
I only look at action - not at talk. Advocating murder is not
a good thing but it is not actual murder.
Ah, so Khomeini was blameless, eh?
Mścisław Wojna-Bojewski
2017-04-09 09:03:58 UTC
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In a violent attack causing trepidation amongst Paris’ Jewish community, a 66-year-old Orthodox woman, Sarah Halimi, was murdered to the cry of ‘‘Allahu Akbar’’ early Tuesday morning, pushed from the window of her top-floor apartment in Paris’ 11th arrondissement.
The accused, a 27-year-old of Muslim origin known to police for a string of offenses, had broken into the apartment of his victim – reportedly scaling the exterior wall from the floor below where he lived with his parents – to stab his victim before throwing her to her death.
Whilst the motives behind this crime are not yet 100% clear, it represents a growing phenomenon of criminal acts being preceded by cries of ‘‘Allahu Akbar’’ (‘’God is Great’’) consistently explained by French media as the acts of ‘’déséquilibrés’’, the ‘’unbalanced’’ – a word fast entering the lexicon for such circumstances.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/04/paris-horror-elderly-jewish-woman-thrown-apartment-death-cry-allahu-akbar/
Déséquilibres (1982) - IMDb
Short · A handicapped woman recognizes the man who, when they were children, pushed her off a bridge
there's a tendency among "French" medias to describe Muslim murderers as "unbalanced" people.
With all due respect to victims and all due condolence to their survivors and with all due cognizance that these instances make grisly reading, my take on it was that if French news media use 'unbalanced' to refer to non-Muslim murderers too (or attempted murderers), then it's not clear that they're making a special concession to Muslims by calling their murderers unbalanced.
"French" medias, most of which are in fact pro-USA, pro-NATO, pro-Zionist, if not bought and sold-out to them, never use the word "déséquilibré", except for Muslim murderers.
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Post by Arnaud Fournet
This is based on the fiction that Islam is a religion of peace, and therefore, Muslims who murder for islamic sake are not doing so, according to that fiction.
I haven't addressed what it is based on, so whether this observation be true or not is irrelevant to my observation.
What was your "observation"?
A.
That the word is not used just for Muslim murderers. I gave an example of a non-Muslim who pushed a girl off a bridge. As it happened (in the story) she survived but not because he was not trying to kill her.
your other occurrence dates back to 1982,
so it's irrelevant for present-day smokescreen euphemisms for "religiously motivated islam-based murders".
A.
If the dog whistle is understood by everybody it is just
as effective a communication as an explicit statement. This
is the way that racial facts are communicated in the US.
To me even the most devout Muslim must be unbalanced to commit
murder for any motive whatsoever. I consider murder an unnatural
action for a human being.
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2005/05/hirsi_ali_the_empowered_aposta.html
I only look at action - not at talk. Advocating murder is not
a good thing but it is not actual murder.
Ah, so Khomeini was blameless, eh?
What an asshole. By your logic, a judge sentencing somebody for incitement to murder is acquitting him by not sentencing him for murder.
DKleinecke
2017-04-09 16:27:56 UTC
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In a violent attack causing trepidation amongst Paris’ Jewish community, a 66-year-old Orthodox woman, Sarah Halimi, was murdered to the cry of ‘‘Allahu Akbar’’ early Tuesday morning, pushed from the window of her top-floor apartment in Paris’ 11th arrondissement.
The accused, a 27-year-old of Muslim origin known to police for a string of offenses, had broken into the apartment of his victim – reportedly scaling the exterior wall from the floor below where he lived with his parents – to stab his victim before throwing her to her death.
Whilst the motives behind this crime are not yet 100% clear, it represents a growing phenomenon of criminal acts being preceded by cries of ‘‘Allahu Akbar’’ (‘’God is Great’’) consistently explained by French media as the acts of ‘’déséquilibrés’’, the ‘’unbalanced’’ – a word fast entering the lexicon for such circumstances.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/04/paris-horror-elderly-jewish-woman-thrown-apartment-death-cry-allahu-akbar/
Déséquilibres (1982) - IMDb
Short · A handicapped woman recognizes the man who, when they were children, pushed her off a bridge
there's a tendency among "French" medias to describe Muslim murderers as "unbalanced" people.
With all due respect to victims and all due condolence to their survivors and with all due cognizance that these instances make grisly reading, my take on it was that if French news media use 'unbalanced' to refer to non-Muslim murderers too (or attempted murderers), then it's not clear that they're making a special concession to Muslims by calling their murderers unbalanced.
"French" medias, most of which are in fact pro-USA, pro-NATO, pro-Zionist, if not bought and sold-out to them, never use the word "déséquilibré", except for Muslim murderers.
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Post by Arnaud Fournet
This is based on the fiction that Islam is a religion of peace, and therefore, Muslims who murder for islamic sake are not doing so, according to that fiction.
I haven't addressed what it is based on, so whether this observation be true or not is irrelevant to my observation.
What was your "observation"?
A.
That the word is not used just for Muslim murderers. I gave an example of a non-Muslim who pushed a girl off a bridge. As it happened (in the story) she survived but not because he was not trying to kill her.
your other occurrence dates back to 1982,
so it's irrelevant for present-day smokescreen euphemisms for "religiously motivated islam-based murders".
A.
If the dog whistle is understood by everybody it is just
as effective a communication as an explicit statement. This
is the way that racial facts are communicated in the US.
To me even the most devout Muslim must be unbalanced to commit
murder for any motive whatsoever. I consider murder an unnatural
action for a human being.
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2005/05/hirsi_ali_the_empowered_aposta.html
I only look at action - not at talk. Advocating murder is not
a good thing but it is not actual murder.
Ah, so Khomeini was blameless, eh?
What an asshole. By your logic, a judge sentencing somebody for incitement to murder is acquitting him by not sentencing him for murder.
It depends on your definition of "murder". And whether the definition
depends on the local law code or on some kind of sociological
construct. For instance, does "A murdered B" mean A actually wielded
the weapon (or whatever) that killed B? This is often not an answerable
question -if several attackers are involved. And there is the question
of actual causality - was it the arsenic that weakened the person or the
flu that killed the victim. Or starving, etc. "Murder" is probably not
really definable in a coherent way.

To take a recent US example: Were the officials that allowed the water in
Flint, Michigan, to be contaminated with lead guilty of murder because,
thirty or forty years from now, some person who was a child in Flint dies
prematurely because they were weakened by childhood lead poisoning?

I am inclined to restrict the word "murder" to cases of overt direct
violence - and to treat attempted murder as its equivalent.
Yusuf B Gursey
2017-04-09 16:42:40 UTC
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In a violent attack causing trepidation amongst Paris’ Jewish community, a 66-year-old Orthodox woman, Sarah Halimi, was murdered to the cry of ‘‘Allahu Akbar’’ early Tuesday morning, pushed from the window of her top-floor apartment in Paris’ 11th arrondissement.
The accused, a 27-year-old of Muslim origin known to police for a string of offenses, had broken into the apartment of his victim – reportedly scaling the exterior wall from the floor below where he lived with his parents – to stab his victim before throwing her to her death.
Whilst the motives behind this crime are not yet 100% clear, it represents a growing phenomenon of criminal acts being preceded by cries of ‘‘Allahu Akbar’’ (‘’God is Great’’) consistently explained by French media as the acts of ‘’déséquilibrés’’, the ‘’unbalanced’’ – a word fast entering the lexicon for such circumstances.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/04/paris-horror-elderly-jewish-woman-thrown-apartment-death-cry-allahu-akbar/
Déséquilibres (1982) - IMDb
Short · A handicapped woman recognizes the man who, when they were children, pushed her off a bridge
there's a tendency among "French" medias to describe Muslim murderers as "unbalanced" people.
With all due respect to victims and all due condolence to their survivors and with all due cognizance that these instances make grisly reading, my take on it was that if French news media use 'unbalanced' to refer to non-Muslim murderers too (or attempted murderers), then it's not clear that they're making a special concession to Muslims by calling their murderers unbalanced.
"French" medias, most of which are in fact pro-USA, pro-NATO, pro-Zionist, if not bought and sold-out to them, never use the word "déséquilibré", except for Muslim murderers.
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Post by Arnaud Fournet
This is based on the fiction that Islam is a religion of peace, and therefore, Muslims who murder for islamic sake are not doing so, according to that fiction.
I haven't addressed what it is based on, so whether this observation be true or not is irrelevant to my observation.
What was your "observation"?
A.
That the word is not used just for Muslim murderers. I gave an example of a non-Muslim who pushed a girl off a bridge. As it happened (in the story) she survived but not because he was not trying to kill her.
your other occurrence dates back to 1982,
so it's irrelevant for present-day smokescreen euphemisms for "religiously motivated islam-based murders".
A.
If the dog whistle is understood by everybody it is just
as effective a communication as an explicit statement. This
is the way that racial facts are communicated in the US.
To me even the most devout Muslim must be unbalanced to commit
murder for any motive whatsoever. I consider murder an unnatural
action for a human being.
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2005/05/hirsi_ali_the_empowered_aposta.html
I only look at action - not at talk. Advocating murder is not
a good thing but it is not actual murder.
Ah, so Khomeini was blameless, eh?
What an asshole. By your logic, a judge sentencing somebody for incitement to murder is acquitting him by not sentencing him for murder.
One is acquitted of something. The judge or jury may have sentenced
the defendant of incitement of murder rather than murder and thus
acquitting of murder. These are legal definitions. You may or not
find a moral distinction.

Dingbat
2017-04-09 09:03:33 UTC
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In a violent attack causing trepidation amongst Paris’ Jewish community, a 66-year-old Orthodox woman, Sarah Halimi, was murdered to the cry of ‘‘Allahu Akbar’’ early Tuesday morning, pushed from the window of her top-floor apartment in Paris’ 11th arrondissement.
The accused, a 27-year-old of Muslim origin known to police for a string of offenses, had broken into the apartment of his victim – reportedly scaling the exterior wall from the floor below where he lived with his parents – to stab his victim before throwing her to her death.
Whilst the motives behind this crime are not yet 100% clear, it represents a growing phenomenon of criminal acts being preceded by cries of ‘‘Allahu Akbar’’ (‘’God is Great’’) consistently explained by French media as the acts of ‘’déséquilibrés’’, the ‘’unbalanced’’ – a word fast entering the lexicon for such circumstances.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/04/paris-horror-elderly-jewish-woman-thrown-apartment-death-cry-allahu-akbar/
Déséquilibres (1982) - IMDb
Short · A handicapped woman recognizes the man who, when they were children, pushed her off a bridge
there's a tendency among "French" medias to describe Muslim murderers as "unbalanced" people.
With all due respect to victims and all due condolence to their survivors and with all due cognizance that these instances make grisly reading, my take on it was that if French news media use 'unbalanced' to refer to non-Muslim murderers too (or attempted murderers), then it's not clear that they're making a special concession to Muslims by calling their murderers unbalanced.
"French" medias, most of which are in fact pro-USA, pro-NATO, pro-Zionist, if not bought and sold-out to them, never use the word "déséquilibré", except for Muslim murderers.
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Post by Arnaud Fournet
This is based on the fiction that Islam is a religion of peace, and therefore, Muslims who murder for islamic sake are not doing so, according to that fiction.
I haven't addressed what it is based on, so whether this observation be true or not is irrelevant to my observation.
What was your "observation"?
A.
That the word is not used just for Muslim murderers. I gave an example of a non-Muslim who pushed a girl off a bridge. As it happened (in the story) she survived but not because he was not trying to kill her.
your other occurrence dates back to 1982,
so it's irrelevant for present-day smokescreen euphemisms for "religiously motivated islam-based murders".
A.
What do ISIS' Muslim victims' survivors say about ISIS' motivation for having killed their relatives (example below)? It seems unlikely that they say they are "religiously motivated Islam-based murders".

Isis kills dozens of civilians caught attempting to flee Mosul and hangs their bodies on electricity poles
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/mosul-offensive-latest-isis-advance-killing-civilians-fleeing-display-bodies-human-shields-iraq-a7674411.html
wugi
2017-04-09 16:23:02 UTC
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I say: For brevity, my comments are limited to the use of the word.
Notwithstanding the possible legal implication that the unbalanced might
be not guilty by reason of insanity, ’déséquilibrés' is not used only if
one who commits violence is Muslim. In the following title of a movie
I take it as one of the gentler euphemisms for such committers of
atrocities.
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with no Muslim characters, a boy who pushed a girl off the bridge is
Déséquilibres (1982) - IMDb Short · A handicapped woman recognizes
the man who, when they were children, pushed her off a bridge
I notice the plural (déséquilibrés) in your quotation, which suggests
that both the man and the handicapped woman are qualified as such,
though each one in another register. The woman might be expected to have
suffered trauma and seen her life brought out of balance, maybe become
handicapped as a consequence?
I'm sure it wouldn't be the only title with a single term covering
various different characters and registers.
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