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[do for] -- [she's spoken for]
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Hen Hanna
2017-04-20 20:21:05 UTC
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[do for] == means [finished] or [finished doing]


[do for] -- [she's spoken for]

I'm getting the feeling that [for] is
an aspect-marker signifying [completion].

( like the Chinese ... )


Could this be true ?

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Sharon Stone saying "Now, you've done it!" (did something bad) (the ultimate bad thing)


we often hear this in (older) war movies, etc.
-- One more mix-up like that, and we're done for!

also "do someone in" https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/do_in
He had done for himself in the office,
apparently this "done for" is the same "done for"
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/do_for

Smoking did for him in the end.

But he did for them both by his plan of attack.


1922, James Joyce, Ulysses,chapter 16
--That bitch, that English whore, did for him, the shebeen proprietor commented. She put the first nail in his coffin.


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Is [do for], [done for] in Shakespeare ?


OED:
to do for
2. intr. colloq. To ruin, damage, or injure fatally; to destroy,
wear out entirely. Now freq. in pass. with the prepositional object
of the active verb as subject.

Selected quotes:

1803 Ld. Nelson 28 Dec. in Dispatches & Lett. (1845) V. 334 The
Kent is almost done for, and she is going to Malta.
1811 J. Austen Sense & Sensibility III. v. 104 He has done for
himself completely!—shut himself out for ever from all decent
society.
a1817 J. Austen Persuasion (1818) IV. xi. 279 Give Anne your
arm... She is rather done for this morning.
Hen Hanna
2017-04-20 21:01:38 UTC
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forgone

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fordo
fordid
fordone
Post by Hen Hanna
[do for] == means [finished] or [finished doing]
[do for] -- [she's spoken for]
I'm getting the feeling that [for] is
an aspect-marker signifying [completion].
( like the Chinese ... )
Could this be true ?
My hunch was correct !

http://etymonline.com/index.php?term=for-

for- prefix usually meaning "away, opposite, completely,"

as in forgive (?)

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/vor-
vorspreken (to promise) ---- (could be futurity)

2. denotes an action with a negative result such as destruction, loss or spoilage

vordarven (to rot), vorlysen (to lose)

3. denotes an action flawed with a mistake

vorscriven (to make a mistake in writing) to scriven (to write)
Hen Hanna
2017-04-22 15:48:53 UTC
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Post by Hen Hanna
forgone
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fordo
fordid
fordone
Post by Hen Hanna
[do for] == means [finished] or [finished doing]
[do for] -- [she's spoken for]
I'm getting the feeling that [for] is
an aspect-marker signifying [completion].
( like the Chinese ... )
Could this be true ?
My hunch was correct !
http://etymonline.com/index.php?term=for-
for- prefix usually meaning "away, opposite, completely,"
as in forgive (?)
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/vor-
vorspreken (to promise) ---- (could be futurity)
2. denotes an action with a negative result such as destruction, loss or spoilage
vordarven (to rot), vorlysen (to lose)
3. denotes an action flawed with a mistake
vorscriven (to make a mistake in writing) to scriven (to write)
Skeat says For- (prefix) "has usually an intensive force, or preserves something of the sense of [from] ..."

Sanskrit [pard] ... "hence the orig. sense is 'away.' Der. forbear, forbid, forfend, forgo, forget, forgive, forlorn, forswear"



Skeat also says [forclose] and [forfeit] contain a different for- .

HH

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